Why Is God Always Innocent?

[josephdc]

Where knowledge ends religion begins..translation in bisaya terms....

ayaw nalang ug pangutana gd..tuo nlang!..

haha!

Is that the same as saying bro that religion is simply based on blind faith? Is that what you're saying?

well if muhatag kog lain na quote i'd choose this...

"Doubt is a sign of intelligence"

Are you saying that religious people don't doubt their faith and are thus less intelligent?

Forgive me for always asking questions, it's just that I really just want to understand your point of view...

[tokidoki]

I wanted to clarify because the quote seems very condescending towards religious people. Is the author of the quote saying that religious beliefs are not knowledge?

Well, I came to the same conclusion too. If it's condescending then so be it. Let god strike me down with a gazillion lightning bolts and be sodomized by a hundred faggots of the Pinoy Entertainment industry.

The author is Benjamin Disraeli. Former British PM. A very conservative faithful I might add. You can look up his background in wikipedia.

[cromagnon]

Are you saying that religious people don't doubt their faith and are thus less intelligent?

heres a quote for that . :

doubt those who found the truth ,
believe those who havent.

any religion will claimed they are the truth .
however most of the claims n there bible arent back be evidence...

however scientist , never claim big bang is the truth is its jus a theory..

- and there will be more discoveries in the future.

[cromagnon]

btw ,

do u believe the 6day creation or genesis / noah's ark? or man came from apes?

[josephdc]

i don't know. i don't wanna pretend i know the answers when i don't. so, does your question suggest that he wasn't the one responsible of them? but then, why all of a sudden, when good things happen, he's always the good guy? ever heard of the phrase, "Thank you lord for all our blessings"? you never hear someone say, "Thank you lord for all the calamities and disasters."

The reason why I'm asking all these questions bro is that I want to understand what you're asking or trying to say.

I think that from the point of view of Christianity, God is understood to be a morally perfect being, so by definition he is a being who is all-good and all-loving. So he cannot do evil, it would be against his nature.

how can i? because i can and because i want to. just because i don't believe in God doesn't mean i can't study his behavior. why ask me what's there to dissect? it's just like saying you believe in God and you go to Church, but you can't see him---so who's there to praise?

please re-read the first post. i don't think it's that really confusing. you are just confusing yourself. the question is pretty straight-forward.

As I've said, I want to better understand what you're asking or saying.

[josephdc]

Well, I came to the same conclusion too. If it's condescending then so be it. Let god strike me down with a gazillion lightning bolts and be sodomized by a hundred faggots of the Pinoy Entertainment industry.

The author is Benjamin Disraeli. Former British PM. A very conservative faithful I might add. You can look up his background in wikipedia.

How did you come to that conclusion bro? I guess an example of a religious belief would be the belief that God exists. How did you come to the conclusion that that belief is not knowledge or that any religious belief is not justified true belief?

[josephdc]

heres a quote for that . :

doubt those who found the truth ,
believe those who havent.

But non-believers have their own truth claims, too, right? For example, the claim that God does not exist. It's a truth claim -- it is claimed as true. So if we follow that principle, we'd have to doubt the claims of non-believers, and believe no one, for no one I think hasn't any truth claim.

any religion will claimed they are the truth .
however most of the claims n there bible arent back be evidence...

however scientist , never claim big bang is the truth is its jus a theory..

- and there will be more discoveries in the future.

So what is your point bai?

[Ramini]

Is that the same as saying bro that religion is simply based on blind faith? Is that what you're saying?

naa koi i base na story sa bible to illustrate my point...when god ordered abraham to kill his son isaac without any reason at all..and to our surprise abraham complies without even asking why..even isaac himself consented to being killed because it's the will of god..then in a split second an angel appeared and was able to stop abraham from stabbing his son...saying na nakapasar na sya sa test sa ginoo...now sa akoang pagsabot..is that an example of blind faith?..blind obedience..so unsa mai gi exhibit ni abraham?...blind faith or not..bahala na..i have faith in god..sya btaw gasugo nga patyon nako akoang bugtong anak.

religious people don't doubt their faith

they shouldn't

less intelligent?

mostly kai herd mentality..pero i know dli sila bugo..maulaw lang sila mu question...it's either nagpa buang2x nlang or hasulan na mangutana kai lainon ug sabot sa ubang tao or sa mga pari.

[Ramini]

But non-believers have their own truth claims, too, right? For example, the claim that God does not exist. It's a truth claim -- it is claimed as true. So if we follow that principle, we'd have to doubt the claims of non-believers, and believe no one, for no one I think hasn't any truth claim.



So what is your point bai?

in other words..ang big bang theory is just a theory..if naai small bang theory na na discover which is more apt..and is plausible than the big bang theory in regards to the origin of the universe then by all means ilisan sa scientific community ang theory on the origin of the solar system..the big bang theory today holds ground pa..unless there's something else that debunks it and presents a more precise theory...dli sya absolute truth.

[Ramini]

from the point of view of Christianity, God is understood to be a morally perfect being,

if that's the case then why did he allow the devil to take all of Job's possessions..it all started ra bya sa hamon sa demonyo..na iyaha na mapabali si Job sa iyang pagtuo sa ginoo if mawala ang tanan..isn't that a bit sadistic? or we shoudn't question god's will...kai lagi mao to ingon ni treize na presumptous ra lagi ang tao to question god's motives...it seems na dli man fair para kang Job..kai in the first place his faith in god isn't based on material wealth alone..sa tinuod paman gani kai nanikas ang ginoo sa yawa..kabaw na gd sya daan na dli na mubali..dehado gamay ang demonyo..it's a no contest.