Why Is God Always Innocent?

[sharkey360]

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For insight about God's existence, watch Zeitgeist The Movie

[josephdc]

^ What insight does the movie offer about God's existence?

[josephdc]

It just occurred to me, the thread is entitled "Why is God always innocent?" Well, in the atheists' eyes, he's always guilty, too, right? So a similar question can be asked of atheists, "Why is God always guilty?"

[tokidoki]

^^ question doesn't exist. They cannot make a non-existing thing guilty. Shocking to me as it sounds. This is a one way question.

[treize]

^^ how about if atheists were right will the whole christian world compensate prejudiced people for centuries?

ang gipalabas ni kebot ba na if they are wrong they "realize they fought an unnecessary battle". he leaves at that, which implies that just like his god he is "exempted" from liability for his belief's faults. kebs, if atheists are right you WILL answer to that para patas mo! Dili pwede na if sayop ang atheists pwede ninyo ilansang sa crus nya kung kamo sayop hugas kamay ra mo murag si Pilate! LOL

hehehe... so you mean atheists does not believe only in christianity? sorry but that's what your post implies.. you guys keep on asking for evidence about God's existence, why? can you prove that he doesn't exist? tsk! tsk! tsk!

[treize]

.. very nice point indeed chad. if god does exist, it's his biggest error for not presenting himself fully to his creation ( man ). Why all these mystery ??


.. and as to an answer, no one alive can ever know. Be it the highest order in religion or the smartest scientist, note the word... ALIVE ... again, only when we die shall we know all the answers.




.. and here is the best scapegoat analysis of god from the religious point of view:

- if you are suffering then it is considered as a trial

- if you have a lot then it is considered as a grace from god.


.. it's a win win situation for God. which is truly ridiculous.


.. oh, and the best of it all is when they try to rationalize those people who are still suffering even if they are very much a devout or have lived their lives in doing prayers. Best example would be those women who always pray inside the santo ninyo church, those sellings candles .... look at them, they still haven't got any grace or reward from god from all their sufferings for Him. Why well, the most common answer i get is this our life on earth is just temporary, what's important is our life after death.. that i could say that god is one crazy and lunatic god.


.. i mean, is anybody really deserving to suffer or deserved to have a grand life if it so, if our lives are as they say, PREDESTINED by God. Then how come God destined some to have a life of pain, while others have a life of bliss. What is his criteria for this ?? is he discriminating




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so you mean those people who prays the most should be wealthy and should not experience pain? if that's the case, everyone will be praying every hour so that they will become wealthy and will not experience any suffering, then we can no longer determine what is faith..

and how sure are you that this people in santo niño church, those selling candles are suffering? is it because of how they look? then you're the one's discriminating them. They maybe poor but you could be suffering more than them..

if everyone will have a life of bliss, then we can no longer determine what is bliss and what is suffering.. we can no longer determine what's the difference between happiness and loneliness.. tsk! tsk! tsk!

[dartzed]

where was God in:

- the Haiti Earthquake (100,000 killed)
- the Tsunami (500,000 killed)
- the Holocaust (6,000,000 killed)
- Rwanda (nearly 1,000,000 killed)

why is it that when good things happen, we credit "GOD" for it. but when bad things happen, for some reason, we always seem to blame GOD's creation (human beings) rather than GOD himself. didn't GOD create everything according to his plan? what exactly is the "divine" reason that GOD allow things to happen like this? it's terrible, horrific, and in contradiction to the attributes of this so-called GOD... the loving, caring GOD.

so, when bad things happen, GOD is innocent. remember what Pat Robertson said about the earthquake in Haiti?

when Haiti was a French colony, freedom fighters "swore a pact to the devil," saying, "We will serve you if you will get us free from the French. And so the devil said, ‘Okay, it's a deal.’” Ever since, Robertson continued, "they [Haitians] have been cursed by one thing after the other."

where is GOD in this sentence? please don't give me the FREEWILL crap (excuse my language). if man has freewill, why is it that GOD doesn't seem to have the FREE 'EFFIN WILL to stop these horrific deaths?

hmmmmm hey would you like to live in a world of dictatorship bro?..

good points but ever had any idea of what usually tenants pledge to their masters?..

[tingkagol]

.. oh, and the best of it all is when they try to rationalize those people who are still suffering even if they are very much a devout or have lived their lives in doing prayers. Best example would be those women who always pray inside the santo ninyo church, those sellings candles .... look at them, they still haven't got any grace or reward from god from all their sufferings for Him. Why well, the most common answer i get is this our life on earth is just temporary, what's important is our life after death.. that i could say that god is one crazy and lunatic god.

We can agree that God, within the confines of reconciling its philosophical and religious concept, is strange. But you have to understand that it is fruitless to criticize prayer and faith in God. Why so irritated with a christian's "alibi" for his suffering (A trial; our life on earth is just temporary, what's important is our life after death)? From a philosophical stand, if you can prove without a doubt that God does not exist, then you very well have all the grounds to criticize faith in Him. Using God to justify mass murders is another.

if everyone will have a life of bliss, then we can no longer determine what is bliss and what is suffering.. we can no longer determine what's the difference between happiness and loneliness.. tsk! tsk! tsk!

A bit off topic but....

There is beauty in contrasts, isn't there? Seems to me heaven is one dreadfully boring place if it only bestows infinite happiness to its inhabitants- for what is happiness without sadness? It would lose its meaning.

Heaven, like God, is quite an interesting subject to dissect, too, if you think about it. There's no denying that the religious love sugar-coating God and heaven.

[[PROTOTYPE]]

where was God in:

- the Haiti Earthquake (100,000 killed)
- the Tsunami (500,000 killed)
- the Holocaust (6,000,000 killed)
- Rwanda (nearly 1,000,000 killed)

why is it that when good things happen, we credit "GOD" for it. but when bad things happen, for some reason, we always seem to blame GOD's creation (human beings) rather than GOD himself. didn't GOD create everything according to his plan? what exactly is the "divine" reason that GOD allow things to happen like this? it's terrible, horrific, and in contradiction to the attributes of this so-called GOD... the loving, caring GOD.

so, when bad things happen, GOD is innocent. remember what Pat Robertson said about the earthquake in Haiti?

when Haiti was a French colony, freedom fighters "swore a pact to the devil," saying, "We will serve you if you will get us free from the French. And so the devil said, ‘Okay, it's a deal.’” Ever since, Robertson continued, "they [Haitians] have been cursed by one thing after the other."

where is GOD in this sentence? please don't give me the FREEWILL crap (excuse my language). if man has freewill, why is it that GOD doesn't seem to have the FREE 'EFFIN WILL to stop these horrific deaths?

this is just based on my understanding of God and the Bible: in the ancient times of the Jewish people, good or bad things are foretold by the prophets nya most of them kay buhat jud ni God for or against someone/race/religion. there's the probability that God allowed it all to happen for His own purposes nga kita mismo gamay ra ang nahibaw-an. But look at the good side, daghan tawo ni-volunteer ug tabang sa mga biktima ani tanan... which God wants us all to do.

[josephdc]

They cannot make a non-existing thing guilty.

I was only making an observation. It seems that atheists often blame God whenever calamities or tragedies occur. Well, why do they blame God when they don't believe he exists in the first place? Your comment above seems to imply that you agree that the thread title is not a very good question.