All about Roman Catholicism here.

[bcasabee]

Gai ko pop-corn ninyo beh samtang gahulat ko ug tubag ...... heheehe

[mosimos]

Weed,

About timothy, please be enlightened. . .

2 Timothy 3:16: "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

Note that this passage nowhere says that Scripture is the sole rule of faith. It says that it is profitable, and that is true. But that doesn’t make it the sole rule of faith. It says that it can make you complete, and that is also true. However, in order for Scripture to make us complete, we must accept all that it teaches. And Scripture teaches that Christ established an authoritative church. That is why Paul tells Titus, who headed the church at Crete, to "Exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you" (Titus 2:15). Indeed an authoritative church is necessary in light of 2 Peter 1:20: "You must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation."

So Scripture makes us complete by showing us that we need it and that we need the Church to teach us what it means. Only a church whose teachings are authoritative and unchanging can qualify as "The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).


The claim that we don't need teachers fails not only on the theological level, but in its practical application as well. If John believes that we don't need any teachers, why is he sending a letter that teaches? In fact why were any of the epistles written and preserved? Are they not the authoritative teachings of Church leaders? It is also interesting to note that most Bible only pastors attended seminary where they were [b]taught the Bible.[/b] On Sundays they give sermons in which they teach the Bible. They have Bible studies where again they teach the Bible. If we really don't need teachers why is all of this going on?

[mosimos]

Weed,

even apostle paul did not claim he is saved already.

1.) "It is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. I do not even judge myself. I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then every man will receive his commendation from God."(1 Corinthians 4:2-5)

2.) 1 Corinthians 9:25-27, "Every athlete exercises self control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air, but I pommel my body and subdue it lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."

3.) "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God" (James 4:6-7).

4.) "If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing...And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love" [color=Blue](1 Corinthians 13:2, 13).[/color

[at8n1981]

WOW! ana bah bay mosimos..post kanang mga excerpts para maenlighten ta! popcorn mo dha! burrppppp...

[bcasabee]

hahahaha.........patay ta ana basta Bible ang hisgotan..........pop-corn nalang ko kutob ani.......

[at8n1981]

hahahaha.........patay ta ana basta Bible ang hisgotan..........pop-corn nalang ko kutob ani.......

wer ka nibuy sa popcOrn nimo?! lami lage....o beer pa day!naglami na ang posts dre! heheh

[weedmeister]

Wow so this church is better than the Roman Catholic church? Kanus-a ra ni naman ni na register sa Securities and Exchange Commission? Pila man pud damage nato ani? 10% tite? Dili kaha ni church which Jesus refered to as the new false prophets who will appear on the end of times and give false informations to the people? Sus kung kamo nalang juy tinood no? Pila ray miyembro ninyo.....gamaya ra sa malangit no? Unsaon nalang ubang Christians sa Africa, China, India, America and other countries nga wala jud intawn kaila sa inyo chruch.....ma impyerno to sila?

hehehe, older than the catholic church, YES. we are a CHRISTIAN church, like those men who were persecuted in rome, before the rise of the CATHOLIC CHURCH. wala miy tithing...



Even if you try to banged directly with it..........you can't topple it cause Jesus already assured us that no power on earth can topple it..........but right now....you are tyring to banged it indirectly..........and see what happens........

He is speaking of those who believe His word. Not men in robes who amass wealth and kill.


So what if the Church is rich and powerful......r ur pastors insecure?...Did Jesus told Peter that Peter is the rock......and that on this rock.....his church will be built and no power can topple this church? Isn't Jesus referring to the powerful Roman Catholic Church......no one.....even other christian churches combine can topple our powerful and mighty Roman Catholic Church............what a coincidence...................


Nope, he meant the CHURCH which is in THE HEARTS OF MEN.


Bible based mo part? The Catholic church made the same many mistakes, one example is Galileo's discovery that the sun was the center and earth is revolving in it......poor Galileo during his time........and now ur doing the same mistake.......bai kung sa panultihon pa........ang Catholic Church pabalik na.......kamo padulong palang........As I said.........the Catholic Church is the oldest Christian church.....so kung sentido common lang gamiton.........ang mga false prophets kay kanang mga bag-o nga churches karon nga ning sulpot lang ug kalit............................di ba your church belongs to the bag-ong sulpot?

Hehehehe, like i said, we christians were around even before your popes wanted to make money... we did not make the mistake of holding on to riches and power... Â*:mrgreen:



Di ba in the Bible niingon pud dito........beware...in the end of times.....there will be false prophets appearing to give false informations to the people.........karon kinsa man kunoy mga false prophets nga nanggawas karong panahona nga ang Catholic Church may pinaka karaan nga Church...........reviewoha kuno nang inyong mga bag-ong churches diha kung dili ba kaha na mga false prophets diha nga nagpakaron ingnon lang...............


Acts 11:26 "And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

We are christians, just like those first christians my friend... where was your CATHOLIC church...? is the word CATHOLIC even in the bible? Â*



Mao nay naka pait ana part.......sayon kaayo ug sulti ug instruct sa uban nga mao ni mao nay buhata.....pero kung imo na gani kaugalingon i compromise........mo talaw dayon....tsk tsk tsk.........if you had vatican's richness? unsa man intawon nang tubaga uy........mahulog naman na ug alibi........dili ko ka sacrifice kay wala koy richness like of the vatican's.......mao nay gi tudlo sa inyo church?.......unsaon pagka sacrifice ana kung ang imong buhat dili makasakit sa imong bulsa.........comfort zone lang ta ani perme?............wala ko ma impress......Dapat nimo ma realize part nga selling Vatican's priceless, historical and world heritage properties is just equivalent in scale of selling your own house and giving it to the poor............pero nganong dili man ka kabuhat ug baligya sa imo property? Dili ka kabuhat because your suggestion is ridiculous and impractical and you only use it to show that Vatican is the bad guy while your church is the good guy......well, false prophets always wear pretty faces and warmed, angelic and covincing words.........beware..........

hehehe, you are well brainwashed my friend... i do not even own a house... hehehe although i do my part. to tell you what i do would be trying to sell myself to you, which i do not need to do.... if you think i am a false prophet, just answer this then: What would you follow? The rules of man, or the rules of GOD? It's that simple.

You see......my heart is not as hard as you think.......its just unfair that you attack our church because its is very rich......man.......I dare you to sell your house and donate the proceeds to the poor just as you criticized the Church of not selling its priceless and age old properties.........lets see how righteous you are.............


I apologize if i criticized your church... i mean to show people the truth, and not to blind them more.

[weedmeister]

Weed,

even apostle paul did not claim he is saved already.

1.)Â* "It is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. I do not even judge myself. I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then every man will receive his commendation from God."(1 Corinthians 4:2-5)

2.) 1 Corinthians 9:25-27, "Every athlete exercises self control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air, but I pommel my body and subdue it lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."

3.) "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God" (James 4:6-7).

4.) "If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing...And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love" [color=Blue](1 Corinthians 13:2, 13).[/color

When Paul and Silas were asked by the jailer on how to be saved, they replied:

Acts 16:30 "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

[at8n1981]

asa naman akong beer day! dalii kuno beh kay naglami na ang posts dre!

[tolstoi]

like all other debates/discussions regarding religion, this will surely end-up in vain [FUTILE]...we just have to accept the fact that "all religion, LIKe MEN, are bound to be FLAWED"..the one thing that can't be FLAWED is our FAITH in Jesus Christ..why don't we all just be united in that FAITH :mrgreen: