FREE MASONRY - the Principles

[Oakboy]

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free masons aren't against jesus christ as the messiah..but i think against the vatican doctrines just like the Rizalians...and just like me also..I was born and baptise in catholic church but now have my own view towards life, reality and GOD..So I respect and believe that all relegion are interrelated..free masonry and other's deserve to be respected and not to be judge by other faith..

[Gwynhuever]

this thread is supposed to discuss about the principles of free masonry....nindot unta to kay naa si archer sensation nga member jud sa organization...may na lang makabalo ta sa parts nga willing niya i-share...kay dapat man sad nato i-respect ang parts nga the group wants to remain as their "secret"....

reminder...dili ni religion thread so let us not make it as one...kay as usual way padulngan mag sige ra jud ug lalis.....magpinikatay lang nya ta bro inig kamatay nato kon kinsay maluwas...nganong sigehon man lalis nga puro man gahi ulo

archer...sige pa bro storya pa unsa imong ikatampo....ako naa ko gamay nabaw-an kay naa man ko friends pag college nga demolay...puede sila apil lain fraternities kay di man daw fraternity ang demolay....so ang usa demolay and APO...ang usa pod kay demolay and KRK.....nya na invite sad ko once ug ceremony sa ilang lodge.....

[shoeless_rebel]

But I know. You are a society with secrets. You wont divulge your beliefs to outsiders like me. But I know what your beliefs because of my research, both through secondary and first hand sources from your members.

u know what bro? i think of the vatican the exact same way as you do the freemasons. so i feel you bro...

i know alot of masons and guys from the order of DeMolay and most of em are more into christ compared to me. the rest could be anti-christ but then again not all of 'em.

and bro spring is ryt. u have to try shabu in order for you to know the effects.

[arnoldsa]

Bai archer, kanang Knights of Rizal, freemasonry ni siya nga group or lahi sad ni siya or unsa ma ni siya? Gi-invite ko ani sa una pero wala man koy time gud. Didto ra pod ko na member sa Jaycees, usa ka civic organization

Kanang Freemasonry, is it made up of different groups (like Christianity has RC, protestant, etc..) or is it just one big organization called "Freemasonry"? Unsa pod diay iyang official name? .

Two weeks ago pod, nag wreathlaying ang mga masons sa statue ni Rizal sa Cebu Normal Univ.

naa diay ni nga thread

i am a member of the International Order of DeMolay since 1996

...Masons are usually the Dad(papa,tatay) of DeMolays

meaning after ka mag DeMolay pwede ka mo proceed para mag Mason...and pwede mag Senior DeMolay sad...

hmm..so we have someone who's really into this thingy

@Archer...how about you give us your views regarding freemansory.

for me...ders nothing wrong man wid free masonry...anti-christ? nuhhh... kinsay anti-christ?...ang cgi push ug mga speculations about Masons...

as long as you believe in God...way mawala sa imo life... mo abot ba gud ko ug 10 years as a DeMolay or my dad 12 years as a Mason...if wala mi ni tuo ug God...we pray, we live a simple kind of life...

Who is your God? I know that your answer is that its not Jesus Christ.

our God?...as usual Jesus kinsa man diay?...and FYI...ang mo sulod sa Mason kay lain2x ug mga religion...naa muslim...etc. meaning mura ra cya yg ordinary organization...

yep Rizal is a Mason...

ang mga famous nga DeMolay for example kay si Walt Disney and Bill Clinton... :mrgreen:

[off^tangent]

di ba mao ning magpa-tiles ka nga way bayad, pa-snackon ra nimo payts na!

[Archer sensAtion]

this thread is supposed to discuss about the principles of free masonry....nindot unta to kay naa si archer sensation nga member jud sa organization...may na lang makabalo ta sa parts nga willing niya i-share...kay dapat man sad nato i-respect ang parts nga the group wants to remain as their "secret"....

reminder...dili ni religion thread so let us not make it as one...kay as usual way padulngan mag sige ra jud ug lalis.....magpinikatay lang nya ta bro inig kamatay nato kon kinsay maluwas...nganong sigehon man lalis nga puro man gahi uloÂ*

archer...sige pa bro storya pa unsa imong ikatampo....ako naa ko gamay nabaw-an kay naa man ko friends pag college nga demolay...puede sila apil lain fraternities kay di man daw fraternity ang demolay....so ang usa demolay and APO...ang usa pod kay demolay and KRK.....nya na invite sad ko once ug ceremony sa ilang lodge.....

kapoy na ug share oi, mao ra gihapon naay mag ask pero dili mo yuo kung tubagon..kapoy na... dili man jud na cya ma ingon nga share kay dili man jud na pwede ipa gawas sa public...sabotabol man tingali na...ang ako lang is ma share nako ang truth...na wala jud mi mga kontra...ang mga simbahan hinuon maoy kusog kaayo mang daot...wa man sad mi gi buhat nila...

Free Masonry consist of diferent relegions kay wala man mi gi bawal nga mga tao bisan nsa pa imo kulto2x... naa lang ko nahibaw-an nga usa ka tao wala gi dawat pagka Mason kay politician cya nga kurakot...dili sila gusto ma daot ila name...

Knights of Rizal?? unsa mana?... beware sa mo sa mga fake nga organization...kay naa sad masons ang name pero mugna2x ra na ila...

...i dnt knw if pwede nang mo sulod ug lain na organization if member nka sa DeMolay...pero naa sad ko nahibaw-an nga ni sulod cya...and yep dili mana fraternity intawn and DeMOlay...hehe

[mannyamador]

Does membership of the FREEMASONRY exclude a CATHOLIC member for being faithful ? Again we will be going in circles because issues of freemasonry " teachings " will contradict the teachings of the Catholic church . What are those FREEMASONRY TEACHINGS ??

Indifferentism. The claim thatr all religions are equally pleasing to God. It is a fundamental principle of freemasonry. It also contradicts Christianity.

A nonmember of freemasonry and is a Catholic but is not a practicing Catholic and a Freemason who is a Catholic but practicing the word of God . Who can be saved ?

• 1. A freemason is NOT Catholic.
• 2. Indifferentism, which is ther most basic, fyndamental teaching of freemasonry, is AGAINST the worsd of Gopd, so a freemason cannot be practicing the word of Gods if he really follows freemasonry.

You are pretty much implying that if you are not a Christian or Catholic to be specific , you will be damn in eternity . Similarly that all FREEMASONS should convert to Catholicism to be accepted .

Not implkied at all.

[mannyamador]

- How did you know that FREEMASONRY is anti Christ when gfor a fact you yourself said its very secretive . Do you know the secrets ?

The "secrets" of freemasonry were exposed over many years. Former members "spilled the beans" on freemasonry a very long time ago.

- Your comparison of reasearching about FREEMASONRY and MEDICAL INFORMATION is off the chain . Make it a comparison of informaton of FREEMASONRY and maybe OPUS DEI , makes more sense.

Illogical. Whatever you might say about Opus dei does not refute the research done on freemasonry. it is YIOU who are "off the chain". What is needed is corroborated research. This has already been done. The facts about freemasonry's teachings were out long ago. You can even read about it in some encyclopediae.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Indifferentism. The claim thatr all religions are equally pleasing to God. It is a fundamental principle of freemasonry. It also contradicts Christianity.

Â* It contradicts CHRISTIANITY because CHRISTIANS think they are the only ones who can be saved and the only rightful ones to enter heaven . You cant say , you have to be CATHOLIC first in order to bcome one . FREEMSAONRY is NOT a RELIGION but an ORGANIZATION .

• 1. A freemason is NOT Catholic.

• Â* You are the only one who keeps on blabbing about a FREEMASON is not a CATHOLIC . Of course ORGANIZATION does not equate to RELIGION but it does not mean members of who are freemasons cant be practicing catholics / born catholics / converted catholics etc .
  
  
  

• 2. Indifferentism, which is ther most basic, fyndamental teaching of freemasonry, is AGAINST the worsd of Gopd, so a freemason cannot be practicing the word of Gods if he really follows freemasonry.

[mannyamador]

It contradicts CHRISTIANITY because CHRISTIANS think they are the only ones who can be saved and the only rightful ones to enter heaven.

That is a misrepresentation and oversimplification of Catholic doctrine, and you ought to know since I posted the official teaching of the Church on that here in Istorya many times.

But let's say for a minute that this is true (although it is not). That still does not change the fact that freemasonry contradicts Christianity because it teaches indifferentism. So you're still wrong. By the way, it contradicts Islam and Judaism too. These religions do not see themselves as merely "equal" to all others. But that is precisely what freemasontry teaches. So it contradicts them. Very simple.

FREEMSAONRY is NOT a RELIGION but an ORGANIZATION

That is a half-truth. Freemasonry is an organization with claims about RELIGION. And these claims contradict Christianity.

You are the only one who keeps on blabbing about a FREEMASON is not a CATHOLIC.

You obviously can't read then. We have ALREADY posted the official stand of the Vatican on this matter. So it is NOT just me. You should be more accurate when you make such irrelevant accusations.

REALLY ? Does providing a free treatment for BURN victims not a practice of FREEMASONS that equates to words of GOD " LOVE " ??

Love is not indifferentism. But indifferentism is contradictory to Christianity.

YOU just did and now you did not ??

No.

SECRETS or PROPAGANDA ?? The use of the word FORMER also is very well abused.

"Secrets" is the correct term. But since you dispute it, please tell us then what these principles of freemasonry are. Are you denying that freemasonry espouses indifferentism? Tell us please...

I am now the OFF THE CHAIN ? EXACTLY !! a good reasearch comparison.... but not medical and freemasonry . Just because you yourself is as fanatic as MOSIMOS towards the CATHOLIC religion does justify any leverage you are right.

Now you're resorting to immature name-calling. You must be getting desperate.

FREEMASONRY is into a lot of SYMBOLS .... a little mistake of understanding it will lead you to nowhere in understanding what it is.

So please tell us whether freemasnry espouses indifferentism. Why arer you avoiding the question? is it because freemasontry DOES espouse indifferentism?