Is the Illuminati or the Secret Societies Dead?

[Hellblazer 2.1]

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hahahahahahaha!

these copy and paste posts are pathetic.

well, i don't blame you, sir, because you're not a Mason. you don't know anything about Masonry. what you've copied and pasted here are not your thoughts and findings. they're from someone who's poorly misinformed about Freemasonry.

[Tirong-say]

hahahahahahaha!

these copy and paste posts are pathetic.

well, i don't blame you, sir, because you're not a Mason. you don't know anything about Masonry. what you've copied and pasted here are not your thoughts and findings. they're from someone who's poorly misinformed about Freemasonry.

Okay, let's just extract the contents, are you really worshipping the serpent?..............

[Hellblazer 2.1]

what serpent, sir?

hahahahaha!

we're not snake-charmers, sir. and we certainly don't keep snakes as pets. you can try the zoo if you want to see some snakes. but you won't find them in Masonic Temples.

sir, sir, sir. we Masons do not worship the Devil nor do we worship any serpent. all i can say is that members of our Ancient Fraternity come from different religions too. we are not all Christians. there are Muslim Masons, Hindu Masons, Jewish Masons, Buddhist Masons. but there are certainly no Satanic Masons. i hope you got that last part pretty well, so you could stop these baseless accusations and we could all go on with our lives.

[Tirong-say]

what serpent, sir?

hahahahaha!

we're not snake-charmers, sir. and we certainly don't keep snakes as pets. you can try the zoo if you want to see some snakes. but you won't find them in Masonic Temples.

sir, sir, sir. we Masons do not worship the Devil nor do we worship any serpent. all i can say is that members of our Ancient Fraternity come from different religions too. we are not all Christians. there are Muslim Masons, Hindu Masons, Jewish Masons, Buddhist Masons. but there are certainly no Satanic Masons. i hope you got that last part pretty well, so you could stop these baseless accusations and we could all go on with our lives.

Okay if you say so..............
Then as I know Masons do charity and community service I think that is somewhat ideal, but why keep your organization secret......I hope you would not mind about this last question it's okay if you would answer or not.....

[Hellblazer 2.1]

Okay if you say so..............
Then as I know Masons do charity and community service I think that is somewhat ideal, but why keep your organization secret......I hope you would not mind about this last question it's okay if you would answer or not.....

sir, we Masons do not aim to destroy what we aim to build. and these charities and community service are just two of the many opportunities to benefit Humanity.

it is unfortunate that the word secret, harmless enough in itself, has come to be associated with things corrupt, deceitful, or wicked. but to the thinking mind, it is clear that a thing may be secret and still not sinful.

Masonic secrets just do not concern non-Masons, that's all. just as a corporate board meeting do not concern an ordinary employee. the same goes for a top government cabinet meeting discussing immediate important concerns hence the closed doors.

there are private affairs which for good reason we Masons do not wish to be made public. families have discussions on subjects which do not, and should not, concern their neighbors. church councils convene apart from the general congregation, permitting a more direct approach to situations demanding prompt action.

while all these things are done privately - "secretly", if you will - this is hardly evidence that the subjects under discussion, or the resolutions made, are in any way unwholesome.

[Tirong-say]

sir, we Masons do not aim to destroy what we aim to build. and these charities and community service are just two of the many opportunities to benefit Humanity.

it is unfortunate that the word secret, harmless enough in itself, has come to be associated with things corrupt, deceitful, or wicked. but to the thinking mind, it is clear that a thing may be secret and still not sinful.

Masonic secrets just do not concern non-Masons, that's all. just as a corporate board meeting do not concern an ordinary employee. the same goes for a top government cabinet meeting discussing immediate important concerns hence the closed doors.

there are private affairs which for good reason we Masons do not wish to be made public. families have discussions on subjects which do not, and should not, concern their neighbors. church councils convene apart from the general congregation, permitting a more direct approach to situations demanding prompt action.

while all these things are done privately - "secretly", if you will - this is hardly evidence that the subjects under discussion, or the resolutions made, are in any way unwholesome.

Well they have their own corporate secrets.........
Then in your case the masonic secrets.......the hidden agendas as may I say......the mystery behind, whatever......thanks for your time....Mr. Hell..

[regnauld]

I fully respect the SECRECY and CONFIDENTIALITY of FREEMASONS!

[Hellblazer 2.1]

mura diayg doktor ug pasyente, mr.regnauld, naay doctor-patient confidentiality. hehehe.

[The_Child]

now, are you implying that Rizal and his novels are a bad influence? Rizal's novels were a wake-up call from the atrocities of the Spanish friars.

if you're looking for someone to blame about this so-called crab mentality, look at yourself infront of the mirror. this so-called crab mentality is not exclusive to filipinos only, sir. it's happening everywhere on the planet.

my teacher would always tell me that the Filipino Crab Mentality was proliferated by the church's meddling in the lives of the people particularly its fear-based dogmatic indoctrination.

for a philosophy professor, your views are sadly one-sided.

as ive said, currently one could not for certain prove whether rizal retracted masonry or not. it is a hotly debated topic in rizal studies. now unless of course you could present a concrete proof that rizal did not, then i will have to yield to you. but since you do not have any concrete proof, then i stand with what i said.

am i implying? if you read my post properly, what i said was, my professor who is in Filipino studies (among other things), thinks that the institutionalization of crab mentality in low-land filipino consciousness maybe attributed to Rizal's novel. His justification was that nowhere in the two novels do you see a Filipino being praised, nowhere do you see the Filipino succeeded, every where you see that the Filipino always fail, always fall. You see filipino's acting against each other. and why institutionalized? because this has become a required subject and reading, (we have to thank the late sen. Claro m. recto for that)

He even states that Rizal's plot in his noli me tangere was a almost the same to a spanish novel that rizal read during his time in spain. the characters et al - Benito Perez's Dona Perfecta. (as you can see, if you read me clearly, it is not me but my professor who said such things, i am not my professor, im merely sharing his view which are not mine)

another professor from the ateneo(sociology) states that we have always demonized Church and Crown (spain) and we are too blinded from our colonial biases to see the great benefits that colonialism has given the nation. refer to dr. zialcita's Essays in Filipino Identity.

maybe your teacher ought to publish that article in a refereed journal, and if he/she did, you might want to tell me, so i can comment. for now, ( i think )either your statement referring to your teacher is a fictional acccount, or your teacher might be very simplistic, or he might actually be on to something, or he might be just saying things he could not justify.

AND between your statement stating that Rizal did not retract from masonry and my statement that there is no certainty for now that Rizal retracted or not, who do you think is more one - sided? you who states rather categorically something without justifying it ? or me who stated merely a status of the debate in rizal stuies that it is for now not certain whether he retracted or not? now who is being one-sided e?

crab-mentality exists everywhere true. but i am not talking about everywhere, i am talking about the Philippine situation and the cultural and historical forces that shaped this phenomenon in our nation.

to avoid taking too much space for unwarranted replies, please read carefully my posts.
cheers!





p.s among other fallacious statements, you first of all presume im a philosophy professor, secondly, grantign that its true (which is not), what has it gotta do with all your statement that i am so ? --- exactly, NOTHING. its a non-essential ending for a post.

[bungot25]

I fully respect the SECRECY and CONFIDENTIALITY of FREEMASONS!

because masons worshipped devils?? heheh..... nice thougt pops