Forget Jesus, Judas went to hell for you.

[LightBearer]

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Nope, IMO applies to every sin.

In old testament it said, keep the sabbath day to keep it holy... they work they die. It so happen there are only 10 commandments... now its plenty. In old testament it is through sacrifice and burnt offerings the way they commune with God... For people to live, Christ is the only acceptable sacrifice...

Remember: Bread and Wine Symbolizes the new covenant. He told it to his disciple that he will be the acceptable sacrifice to the father...

sa akong pagsabot gud ani is kining mga sins that people commit, symptoms ni sa fallen nature sa tao, ang real culprit jud ani is the Sinful Nature sa tao acquired sa Garden of Eden sa dihang Adam and Eve disobeyed God.

Remember ka katong sa Garden of Eden where God said nga the moment you ate of the Tree you shall surely DIE. But wala man sila mamatay pagkaon nila sa fruit kay ang namatay diay ato ang ilang Spirit consequently didto nila na inherit ang Sinful Nature, og didto pod sila namatay.

Mao ng sa Book of Romans gi explained ni Paul nga ang bayad sa Sala is kamatayon referring sa nahitabo ni Adam and Eve sa Genesis. Mao ng para nako dili fit ang imong pasabot sa "wages of sin" nga ang bayad sa Sala sa tao kay ang kamatayon ni Jesus. Sigoro you can use other verse but not this one.

okay sakto ka nga si Jesus mao ang sacrifice but using the verse in Romans to mean nga DEATH mao ang BAYAD sa sala in context sa death ni Jesus is para nako dili fit.

[LightBearer]

He can, yes. But God is holy and we are not because of sin. There is to be a sacrificial lamb that is perfect and without blemish in payment for sins. Jesus, the lamb of God (without blemish, without sin) is the only sacrifice enough to satisfy the requirement (and forgiveness of all our sins) of the Holy God. Jesus' (His son's) death is the payment for our sins. And so, through God's son Jesus, we are saved when we accept Jesus.

God's holiness can be understood when you understand what the big picture is in the Holy Bible. Get to know God, through God's word, the Bible.

Makes perfect sense to me.

ni ingon naka YES He can,meaning He can forgive sins w/o the cross, so why need for sacrifice?

[Tirong-say]

Do you know what man is? How do you define man and what composes man?

Man by nature and essence is GOOD and not EVIL and if he becomes evil it is not by his nature that he does evil things but basically we can attribute that to situational or environmental factors but not to nature to commit crime. I think you have to study Social Psychology and not just the bible for Christ's sake.

You have committed a great fallacy here. Let us analyze: Just because man believes in GOD, does not mean he cannot commit crimes anymore or just because man does not believe in GOD or an atheist does not mean he is a murderer or a killer. That is CRITICAL THINKING my friend! Don't reason out the belief or no belief in GOD will justify man of his actions because that is pure ILLOGICAL!

By the way, your example does not apply to GOD because GOD does possess a personality for I don't believe in an Anthropomorphic GOD.

So Evil side of man did really exist,
But why in situational instances man will not resort in doing good things for the betterment, why do bad things, isn't this an indication that he is not perfect and not really good after all?...

I am talking about the love of GOD towards man and it's nature, how would it become infinite, as I say love of GOD is absent in you if you would not believe in it, it is as simple as that...

You have your own belief, I have mine as well...........

[karwren]

ni ingon naka YES He can,meaning He can forgive sins w/o the cross, so why need for sacrifice?

Okay. thoroughly put, He is holy, and when He forgive sins, it is through accepting His son's sacrfice on the cross once and for all.

[kebotDiNaMute]

sa akong pagsabot gud ani is kining mga sins that people commit, symptoms ni sa fallen nature sa tao, ang real culprit jud ani is the Sinful Nature sa tao acquired sa Garden of Eden sa dihang Adam and Eve disobeyed God.

Remember ka katong sa Garden of Eden where God said nga the moment you ate of the Tree you shall surely DIE. But wala man sila mamatay pagkaon nila sa fruit kay ang namatay diay ato ang ilang Spirit consequently didto nila na inherit ang Sinful Nature, og didto pod sila namatay.

Mao ng sa Book of Romans gi explained ni Paul nga ang bayad sa Sala is kamatayon referring sa nahitabo ni Adam and Eve sa Genesis. Mao ng para nako dili fit ang imong pasabot nga ang bayad sa Sala sa tao kay ang kamatayon ni Jesus. Sigoro you can use other verse but not this one.

okay sakto ka nga si Jesus mao ang sacrifice but using the verse in Romans to mean nga DEATH mao ang BAYAD sa sala in context sa death ni Jesus is para nako dili fit.

Remember ka katong sa Garden of Eden where God said nga the moment you ate of the Tree you shall surely DIE. But wala man sila mamatay pagkaon nila sa fruit kay ang namatay diay ato ang ilang Spirit consequently didto nila na inherit ang Sinful Nature, og didto pod sila namatay.
--- yes you are right! half is right half needs to be explained.

But wala man sila mamatay pagkaon nila sa fruit
--- yes, they died but not immediately. Physically we don't know how long they lived in the Garden and they never died...

ang Spirit consequently didto nila na inherit ang Sinful Nature, og didto pod sila namatay.
--- yes there was spiritual decay because of sin. There was a spiritual block out between God and Adam... When God called them they could no longer be found nor should i say they purposely hide.

--- Yes there was spiritual and physical decay and eventually death. Because of original sin, every living things died.

but using the verse in Romans to mean nga DEATH mao ang BAYAD sa sala in context sa death ni Jesus is para nako dili fit.
--- New Living Translation (©2007)
For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard.
Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.
romans 3:23-24
notice: its present tense. Its stating our sins...not adam sin... i hope this clears out brad...

[LightBearer]

Okay. thoroughly put, He is holy, and when He forgive sins, it is through accepting His son's sacrfice on the cross once and for all.

this is a different answer. You already said that He can to mean that he can forgive sins w/o the cross. but if you want to change your answer,well, okay lang pod. basta para nako ang sacrifice doesn't make sense for God is more powerful such that He can forgive sins by the power of His spoken word. di ba He made the world by the power of His word...and God SAID "let there be light" and THERE was light. so powerful kaayo iyang spoken word di ba? and I believe that it doesn't make sense kung nganong there is a need pa for sacrifice, sigoro na paganized ang Christianity kay "sacrifice" are practices of the pagan religion, they sacrifice to appease their gods. so mao pod ni nga concept they need Jesus to fill the role of "sacrificial lamb" to appease a God.

[The_Child]

There is duality and LAW OF BALANCE (YIN/YANG) in this world but there is no such thing as an evil person only human beings created in the IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD!

You guess it is infinite to those who follow and believe in him? Are you sure about this? How can it be infinite when you think that one should follow him according to your own bias beliefs and conditions? That Doesn't make sense to a critical thinker like me!

if we are to believe that the cosmos is an interplay between Presence and Absence, or as the Chinese would put it Yin and Yang, then it is also implies that we believe in the interplay between Good and Bad. Its really just the same thing.

[karwren]

Here's more from the bible. To wit: Romans 5:12-21

Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come. 15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[regnauld]

So Evil side of man did really exist,
But why in situational instances man will not resort in doing good things for the betterment, why do bad things, isn't this an indication that he is not perfect and not really good after all?...

I am talking about the love of GOD towards man and it's nature, how would it become infinite, as I say love of GOD is absent in you if you would not believe in it, it is as simple as that...

You have your own belief, I have mine as well...........

Evil does not exist per se for there are no devils and demons only effects and consequences of our karma or actions. Again, man in essence is GOOD and evil is just an illusion. When man is not aware of his true nature, his lower self which you call evil will manifest but that is not his true self but rather it is called his False Self. Our True Self is Divine.

Why man will not resort of doing good in situational factors? Well, you have to remember that good and bad are relative to situations and their actions are based on their level of understanding or consciousness. Their choices are always based on survival and it has something to do also with how evolve they are in terms of their actions and reactions.

The Infinite Love of GOD can never be absent to any man for GOD is within our souls. The root cause of suffering and sin is IGNORANCE, nothing more...nothing less.

NAMASTE!

[karwren]

this is a different answer. You already said that He can to mean that he can forgive sins w/o the cross. but if you want to change your answer,well, okay lang pod. basta para nako ang sacrifice doesn't make sense for God is more powerful such that He can forgive sins by the power of His spoken word. di ba He made the world by the power of His word...and God SAID "let there be light" and THERE was light. so powerful kaayo iyang spoken word di ba? and I believe that it doesn't make sense kung nganong there is a need pa for sacrifice, sigoro na paganized ang Christianity kay "sacrifice" are practices of the pagan religion, they sacrifice to appease their gods. so mao pod ni nga concept they need Jesus to fill the role of "sacrificial lamb" to appease a God.

=) Dili. nag ask man ka, gi klaro nako. Pero if you think different, okay ra. Imu pud na. Not changing answers, for the record.=) Thanks.
If in the future, masayup ko, let the mistake be credited to me and not to my God. I will accept it and learn.