The Original Bible

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tanan sacred book i think tinood jud deli lang sa mga christian.

[jamesmusslewhite]

through this span of time, the bible evolved.
this was the source of income. x-tian/reformist/cults

even until now.

Yes, That is why I use the term man's church. Christ's Universal Church is of the body not a building. The temple of God is in the body. As established by God and Christ. A true Christian is the temple for God's temple is a living temple within the heart, until Christ returns and establishes his church on Earth. Man's Churches wants your money not your salvation. They lust for land, power, and riches. No church on this Earth has the right to ask for tithes, Tithes are for the Holy Temple of Israel and exist no more. Priest of God's Temple were to be born of the tribe of "Levi" and also be sons of "Aron", if not they could not be Priests.

The most of the churches of man are corrupt; their priest, preachers, and ministers are corrupt. If the tree is sick it can still bare healthy fruit, but most sick trees bare little or no fruit. Most churches are not true followers of scripture, they do not follow the mandates of God or the true teachings of Christ. They teach false dogma to lazy stupid people. These followers then commit crimes and sin against men and think they are doing God's will and Christ's will; when in fact they are following the will of evil men, influenced and corrupted by the will of Satan.

L. Ray Smith - Exposing Those Who Contradict

look at at the section on this website listed below and it explains what Tithes really were and God's rules on tithes: Tithing is Unscriptural Under the New Testament Parts I and II
(It is a sin to ask for tithes, see what other rules are broken. It is freedom to know the truth.)

[Gotterdammerung.2]

There Original bible is lost. what these Christians have now are the revised works of their scholars manipulated to support their theological bias.

it has forgeries and the authors are unknown. Lot of its stories were taken from other ancient tales.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Yes, That is why I use the term man's church. Christ Universal Church is of the body not a building. The temple of God is in the body. As established by God and Christ. Churches want your money not your salvation. No church has the right to ask for tithes and Priest are to be of the tribe of Levi and also be sons of Aron.

not all churches holds the same belief as yours, they will disagree with you on points about tithing and priesthood. stop pushing your idea as if it's the right one.

The most of the churches of man are corrupt; their priest, preachers, and ministers are corrupt. If the tree is sick it can still bare healthy fruit, but most sick trees bare little or no fruit.

and your church is the holiest of them all

Most churches are not true followers of scripture, they do not follow the mandates of God or the true teachings of Christ. They teach false dogma to lazy stupid people. These followers then commit crimes and sin against men and think they are doing God's will and Christ's will; when in fact they are following the will of evil men and influenced by the will of Satan.

and you were appointed to be a judge over them by whom? Are you perfect?


L. Ray Smith - Exposing Those Who Contradict
look at at the section on this website listed below and it explains what Tithes really were and God's rules on tithes:

Tithing is Unscriptural Under the New Testament Parts I and II

(It is a sin to ask for tithes, see what other rules are broken. It is freedom to know the truth.)

not all churches will agree on you about tithing.

can we just go straight to the topic and stop preaching.

[jamesmusslewhite]

not all churches holds the same belief as yours, they will disagree with you on points about tithing and priesthood. stop pushing your idea as if it's the right one.
All Christian Churches read the same book, and God's rules are God's rules. My facts are the words written in the Bible. Nice hit from someone who claims to be an Atheist.

and your church is the holiest of them all
I have no church, I just read the Bible for myself. I am sorry that your immense intellect can not grasp that. Maybe if you open your eyes, open your ears, open your heart, and close the mouth, and shelve the bad attitude for a while, you could learn something life inspiring. I read the Bible for MYSELF, I am not foolish and let others try to tell me what they think is in the scripture. I look and read it for myself. The scripture is Holy and that is what I follow.

and you were appointed to be a judge over them by whom? Are you perfect?
As a Christian yes I do have the right to judge the churches that corrupt and twist the minds of their follows, making their paths to salvation harder.

Me perfect? No, I am the most flawed of beings, less than a bug, and struggling not to have the morals of a dog. You judged all followers of Christ as murders on your closed thread, and now you are judging me? Priceless.

not all churches will agree on you about tithing.
Well DAH!!! They do not want to lose their cash cow. That is sort of the point. News flash: Tithes were never ever coins. They were only from the overabundant harvest and herd, and they were always the last tenth and never the first tenth. The Bible explains that. But you knowledge of the Bible far exceeds mine so please show me the scriptures where God allows the Church to demand your tithes.

can we just go straight to the topic and stop preaching.
Well since I was responding to another member's direct question to me. Thank you for showing your obvious respect and class by busting in our conversation, insulting me, and trying to jack this thread. Very nice. Wow I thought the topic was about the Bible. If I am wrong then please enlighten me with your hidden knowledge and profound understanding of the text. If I am right with my assessment of the text, then what is the point of your objection? Just to start a provocation?

Welcome to another exciting episode of "Atheist Gone Wild"
You are angry if I support the church on your claims of all Christians being murderers, supporting murderous scripture, and being a criminal church who only want to bash gays, on your "CLOSED" thread. Then you are now angry when I show proof that many of the churches are corrupted by liars and thieves, which caused must of the murders that were the subject of your thread? Atheist who are not Christians can challenge Christian churches and doctrine, but a Christian can not challenge the Christian Church doctrines of his religion Very strange, slightly twisted, but strange.

You seem to be the one trying to preach your own from of dogma, chief.

[jamesmusslewhite]

There Original bible is lost. what these Christians have now are the revised works of their scholars manipulated to support their theological bias.

it has forgeries and the authors are unknown. Lot of its stories were taken from other ancient tales.

Yep, that is why we must go to the earliest works possible to a point far enough back, as to avoid as much of this corrupting as possible. within 30 years of Christ's death is as close as we can go with the New Testament with present discoveries. But that is before most of all the churches and agenda. That has always been the problem. The Hebrews were conquered enslaved had their culture ravaged and their temples burned, for 1,000 years they even lost their written language. It is amazing that any of the ancient writing still exist. That is why there is a need for biblical scholars. Most text can be verified to be from 3,300 and 1900 years old.

Any religious doctrines or dogma newer than that, I ignore as possible false teachings, forgeries, or frauds. If older text sources are discovered then they need to be compared to our oldest text known.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Welcome to another exciting episode of

"Atheist Gone Wild"
You are angry if I support the church on your claims of all Christians being murderers, supporting murderous scripture, and being a criminal church who only want to bash gays, on your "CLOSED" thread. Then you are now angry when I show proof that many of the churches are liars and thieves? Very strange.

You seem to be the one doing the preaching, chief.

I am not angry and I am not running wild. ah okay so you are now supporting my claim? good, keep it that way!!!

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Yep, that is why we must go to the earliest works possible to a point far enough back, as to avoid as much of this corrupting as possible. within 30 years of Christ's death is as close as we can go with the New Testament with present discoveries. But that is before most of all the churches and agenda. That has always been the problem. The Hebrews were conquered enslaved had their culture ravaged and their temples burned, for 1,000 years they even lost their written language. It is amazing that any of the ancient writing still exist. That is why there is a need for biblical scholars. Most text can be varified to be from 3,300 and 1900 years old.

I don't know how is this statement related to my points made in my previous post.

[NASYO]

Let's discuss guys. Please don't argue.

[borge_009]

Yep, that is why we must go to the earliest works possible to a point far enough back, as to avoid as much of this corrupting as possible. within 30 years of Christ's death is as close as we can go with the New Testament with present discoveries. But that is before most of all the churches and agenda. That has always been the problem. The Hebrews were conquered enslaved had their culture ravaged and their temples burned, for 1,000 years they even lost their written language. It is amazing that any of the ancient writing still exist. That is why there is a need for biblical scholars. Most text can be verified to be from 3,300 and 1900 years old.

Any religious doctrines or dogma newer than that, I ignore as possible false teachings, forgeries, or frauds. If older text sources are discovered then they need to be compared to our oldest text known.

even the archaeologists told us that some of the events that the bible told us are outdated so how can we possibly say that that book is accurate? Ang mga book sa bible kay gipangpiliian ra..... pareha ra jud nag movie nga kuhaon ang bati nga part kay mka bati sa scene......

How can we know the truth if the people considered to have the authority already killed the people whom they considered heretic? Heretic para nila......kay hadlok man......We all know that issue kau na sauna ang power, leadership...so mkaingon ta nga ang tanan gbuhat2 lng na sa mga leaders para mka kuha ug respect ug sympathy sa mga taw........Politics is a big issue atong panahona......