Christianity and violence!

[honey89]

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I will ask you one more time. Give me your proof that the data were manipulated.

sorry to say , your reaction shows your lack of knowledge in General Christian history. My advice, get at least a bird's eye view about church history start in the reformation period.

I guess you really don't get me. I am not trying to prove anything to you. I am not trying to prove that what you've lifted or pasted here is false. However, I also could not say that everything that is written on the page is right, simply because Wikipedia is not reliable. Again, go check out Google and see cases of people who have filed complaints against Wikipedia for you to understand it. If you need to talk to me personally so I can explain things better to you, you can always visit my profile and send me a YM. I will be more than happy to clear out your confusion.

Truthfully, I don't need the church to tell me how to become a better person. This also means that I don't have to go through learning about the Church's history just to know the violence that is going around for the sake of religion. I am not blind. Even today I can sense--feel and see--that. Christians have different ways in dealing with their faith. I don't choose violence, simply because I am taught to love my enemies. In the same way, I don't have to ponder too much on the people who died during the Old Testament. Because I believe in God, and I believe he has dominion over everything, I don't have any right to question his decisions. If he wants me to die a ferocious death, so be it.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

I guess you really don't get me. I am not trying to prove anything to you. I am not trying to prove that what you've lifted or pasted here is false. However, I also could not say that everything that is written on the page is right, simply because Wikipedia is not reliable. Again, go check out Google and see cases of people who have filed complaints against Wikipedia for you to understand it. If you need to talk to me personally so I can explain things better to you, you can always visit my profile and send me a YM. I will be more than happy to clear out your confusion.

friend, I got you loud and clear. Those people who have filed complaints against WiKi had proofs in their hands. WiKi is not totally bad you can always check the sources written below the page. Not everything in WiKi are unreliable. you can prove me wrong, how? build your case properly, spot for us w/c do you think among the information mentioned were manipulated? that's the way to do it, sweeping statements can be very harmful especially if you lack data to back up your claim.

Truthfully, I don't need the church to tell me how to become a better person. This also means that I don't have to go through learning about the Church's history just to know the violence that is going around for the sake of religion. I am not blind. Even today I can sense--feel and see--that. Christians have different ways in dealing with their faith. I don't choose violence, simply because I am taught to love my enemies. In the same way, I don't have to ponder too much on the people who died during the Old Testament. Because I believe in God, and I believe he has dominion over everything, I don't have any right to question his decisions. If he wants me to die a ferocious death, so be it.

you need to know what you are getting into, blind leap of faith is dangerous but if you are happy then stay. just don't point your fingers around.

[honey89]

friend, I got you loud and clear. Those people who have filed complaints against WiKi had proofs in their hands. WiKi is not totally bad you can always check the sources written below the page. Not everything in WiKi are unreliable. you can prove me wrong, how? build your case properly, spot for us w/c do you think among the information mentioned were manipulated? that's the way to do it, sweeping statements can be very harmful especially if you lack data to back up your claim.





you need to know what you are getting into, blind leap of faith is dangerous but if you are happy then stay. just don't point your fingers around.

I really don't know what you mean by pointing fingers around, because as far as I'm concerned, I am not doing that. If there's one thing I uphold here, or in any other forum or thread, it's to never malign other people, more so attack them for a very minor note or correction.

I guess for someone who doesn't believe in God, it would be difficult for you to forgive or to even consider a simple criticism as a constructive one. In fact, between the two of us, I should be the one who must feel insulted, for calling me having lack of knowledge and questioning me about not knowing about Wikipedia.

But you know what, whether you believe it or not, accept it or not, say it or not, I forgive you. I have to forgive you, so I can rest tonight and have peace of mind. I forgive you because that's what's we need: forgiveness.

Good night, and hopefully, no more hard feelings tomorrow.

[honey89]

friend, I got you loud and clear. Those people who have filed complaints against WiKi had proofs in their hands. WiKi is not totally bad you can always check the sources written below the page. Not everything in WiKi are unreliable. you can prove me wrong, how? build your case properly, spot for us w/c do you think among the information mentioned were manipulated? that's the way to do it, sweeping statements can be very harmful especially if you lack data to back up your claim.

I am sorry if it just happens that I singled out your post. I have no intention of attacking your post or even you. My comment, as I've said, is not just meant for you but also for others. If I have seen other people's lifted materials and they are just from Wiki, I would probably do the same thing.

Yes, you're right. There are links to back up claims, but not all people who read Wiki use the links. Some are just too complacent, just because there are links to serve as proofs. Thus, they don't spend more time reading other information.

I hope we can already close this issue and just move on to the topic you want to talk about.

[chad_tukes]

Well it is easy to see Pharaoh's harden heart on this thread. The same God haters shaking their defiant fist at something so much greater than their simple minds can even comprehend. False boasts by hollow shells. When I think that I actually use to think the same way, you make me realize just how foolish I sounded to those who possessed faith. I use to be that pathetic? How foolish is the false pride of a lost soul.

I thank God and Christ for delivering me from that foolishness of the damned, and it makes me cherish his gift of faith so much more. Thank you.

...so you are wise and we are foolish because we don't believe in God and you do.

real funny James.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

I really don't know what you mean by pointing fingers around, because as far as I'm concerned, I am not doing that. If there's one thing I uphold here, or in any other forum or thread, it's to never malign other people, more so attack them for a very minor note or correction.

Im not accusing you of something. read it again and don't stretch your interpretation too much.

I guess for someone who doesn't believe in God, it would be difficult for you to forgive or to even consider a simple criticism as a constructive one. In fact, between the two of us, I should be the one who must feel insulted, for calling me having lack of knowledge and questioning me about not knowing about Wikipedia.

please don't assume too much. Obviously you don't know anything about WiKi. sorry but that's how I see it.

But you know what, whether you believe it or not, accept it or not, say it or not, I forgive you. I have to forgive you, so I can rest tonight and have peace of mind. I forgive you because that's what's we need: forgiveness.

Good night, and hopefully, no more hard feelings tomorrow.

this is awkward...anyways do what you want to do.

[Pein]

you sure about this? true followers of Christs like priests, bishops, etc... were the same people who perpetrated the Spanish Inquisition. heretics burned alive, killed publicly, because they turned their backs on their so-called "GOD".

wala jud lagi ka kasabot unsay meaning sa "Christian"...asta ang TS wala jud kasabot...

[Gotterdammerung.2]

wala jud lagi ka kasabot unsay meaning sa "Christian"...asta ang TS wala jud kasabot...

ikaw kasabot ka? sige kono atong paminawon...beh beh beh...

[Pein]

ikaw kasabot ka? sige kono atong paminawon...beh beh beh...

wala diay ka kahibaw? ang buot ipasabot sa Christian, "follower of Christ"...kasabot naka?

kanang imong mga gipangmention nga mga Christians, claims rana nila oi ang proof nga dili sila mga Christians ang ilang mga gipangbuhat kay walay Christiano nga mupatay ug tawo...

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

higugmaon na gani ang sugo sa mga Cristiano sa kaaway patyon na hinuon...

tsk tsk tsk!

[Gotterdammerung.2]

wala diay ka kahibaw? ang buot ipasabot sa Christian, "follower of Christ"...kasabot naka?

kanang imong mga gipangmention nga mga Christians, claims rana nila oi ang proof nga dili sila mga Christians ang ilang mga gipangbuhat kay walay Christiano nga mupatay ug tawo...

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

higugmaon na gani ang sugo sa mga Cristiano sa kaaway patyon na hinuon...

tsk tsk tsk!

so dili ni sila Christian? aw kong ikaw pasultihon. Si eli siya ang tinood nga Christian? nya nganong sige man lagi ni siya pamalikas asa naman ang gi nigon ninyo nga bless them that curse you. butangeeeeeek!!!!

kaon sa ko. wa kay klaro.