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  1. #1681

    Quote Originally Posted by tmhiong View Post
    kaw na may sabi na THE CHURCH has MISTAKES di ba? ang tanong, kung may mabasa ako na sa Bible na ang totoong CHURCH ai hindi nagkakamali and is PERFECT, aaminin mo mali ka?
    Tol naniniwala ka ba na ang simbahan ay "bride of Christ", "mystical body of Christ"? kung ganun, perfect ang simbahan; pero, ang Church o simbahan ay tayo ding mga myembro ng katawan ni Kristo? Masasabi mo ba perfect ka, dahil myembro ka ng church of Christ", the "mystical Body of Christ"? Aba, hinde ah .. which brings us to the fact, that the Church is Holy and Perfect, being the Body of Christ; and is also composed of weak persons like you and I, and so, sinners; In the words of Paul, " we are still waiting when the full revelation of the body of Christ, the church, will come - and we will shine like the sun - for we have been washed clean by the blood of the lamb".

  2. #1682
    Quote Originally Posted by masterjanuarius View Post
    Tol naniniwala ka ba na ang simbahan ay "bride of Christ", "mystical body of Christ"? kung ganun, perfect ang simbahan; pero, ang Church o simbahan ay tayo ding mga myembro ng katawan ni Kristo? Masasabi mo ba perfect ka, dahil myembro ka ng church of Christ", the "mystical Body of Christ"? Aba, hinde ah .. which brings us to the fact, that the Church is Holy and Perfect, being the Body of Christ; and is also composed of weak persons like you and I, and so, sinners; In the words of Paul, " we are still waiting when the full revelation of the body of Christ, the church, will come - and we will shine like the sun - for we have been washed clean by the blood of the lamb".
    aba, may sinabi ba akong Perfect ako? ang sabi ko lang Perfect ang True Church.. and i said nothing about the members being perfect... but the Church itself...
    again, not the Members..
    and like what you said, the Church is the boday of Christ.. therefore perfect..

  3. #1683
    Quote Originally Posted by NASYO View Post
    Because of the holy war, I'm not proud anymore.

    there was a holy war in heaven.

    are you not also proud anymore for it?

  4. #1684
    Quote Originally Posted by tmhiong View Post
    aba, may sinabi ba akong Perfect ako? ang sabi ko lang Perfect ang True Church.. and i said nothing about the members being perfect... but the Church itself...
    again, not the Members..
    and like what you said, the Church is the boday of Christ.. therefore perfect..

    Correct me if am wrong, but your post, bro, brought me an impression that for you the Church, perfect as it is, being the "Body of Christ", is different from, and alienated to, the imperfections of its members .. Remember the conversion of Paul? When he asked who was it talking to him (who are you sir?) Jesus responded, " I am Jesus the nazorean whom you are persecuting". But Paul persecuted the believers of Jesus, and not Jesus? Which brings us to the mind of Paul, that the Body of Christ are we! And we are not perfect! Now, tell me how you can justify that bro, using the thought of Paul!

  5. #1685
    Quote Originally Posted by masterjanuarius View Post
    Correct me if am wrong, but your post, bro, brought me an impression that for you the Church, perfect as it is, being the "Body of Christ", is different from, and alienated to, the imperfections of its members .. Remember the conversion of Paul? When he asked who was it talking to him (who are you sir?) Jesus responded, " I am Jesus the nazorean whom you are persecuting". But Paul persecuted the believers of Jesus, and not Jesus? Which brings us to the mind of Paul, that the Body of Christ are we! And we are not perfect! Now, tell me how you can justify that bro, using the thought of Paul!
    let me ask you something muna, .. what is your stand here?
    then 'ill tell you ano ang stand ko

  6. #1686
    Quote Originally Posted by tmhiong View Post
    let me ask you something muna, .. what is your stand here?
    then 'ill tell you ano ang stand ko
    That the Church is holy, and yet, sinner! Holy and perfect because it is the "Mystical Body of Christ"; and yet sinner, because we are all sinners, and we are the body of Christ!

  7. #1687
    Quote Originally Posted by masterjanuarius View Post
    That the Church is holy, and yet, sinner! Holy and perfect because it is the "Mystical Body of Christ"; and yet sinner, because we are all sinners, and we are the body of Christ!
    you mean, each of us is the body of Christ? or do you mean that, we as a whole are in one body of Christ?

  8. #1688
    Quote Originally Posted by tmhiong View Post
    you mean, each of us is the body of Christ? or do you mean that, we as a whole are in one body of Christ?

    uh uh ... why is a part not a member of the whole? I think there is a misunderstanding here bro .. WE are the Church; I as an individual, is a member of the Church! Let us remember that for God, the individual is important: "the good shepherd will leave the 99 to search out the one that is lost!", or "not a single hair from your head falls down without God knowing it" .. it seems to me that your understanding of the church is that it is something beyond us, people; my understanding of the church is that it is with us, very real to us ... "and if you belief in the son of man, Jesus said, know that the kingdom of God is upon you".

  9. #1689
    Quote Originally Posted by gabstafari View Post
    there was a holy war in heaven.

    are you not also proud anymore for it?
    what holy war in heaven?

    is war really, really, really something to be proud of?

  10. #1690
    Quote Originally Posted by gabstafari View Post
    there was a holy war in heaven.

    are you not also proud anymore for it?
    how would you know? you've never been there.

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