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    Quote Originally Posted by mosimos
    Quote Originally Posted by Freeza
    Freeza:

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    heheehehe ofcourse its unconstitutional ........everybody knows it ...
    but we allowed the president to continue in what is now a violation of the constitution. how many more violations will the president commit and how much longer will we allow her to?


    yes the decision is to be expected* its a catch ............it is violation of the constituion today but at the time it was declared* as a defensive move its a grey area it can be considered a grey area* precedent does not exist ........it is one* of the necessary moves unfortunately but it has to be done or else another EDSA mutiny s**t could happen ..

    the* executive had to improvise within the limits of the law* because thats the same thing the other side is doing testing the limits* of freedom to the boundary of absolute....

    after all their agenda is not just to protest but to overthrow the current* government* thru another lame edsa or other illegal means.............if they cant wait for another election why just they wait for another impeachment who knows they might just succeed in that way there wont be any protracted political warfare and the country can move normally





    The people did not allow her to do it freeze.* She is doing it AGAINST THE WILL of the people.* Thats why people go to the Supreme Court because of this crystal clear violation of the Constitution by the President.*

    BTW, what do you mean "improvise within the bounds of the law?" The President will either respect the law or violate it.* It has no right to "improvise" the law.* She has no power to do that.* She should ask Congress instead of arrogating her power on some thing which is already beyond her powers to do so.

    The people has the right to protest.* If the government is overthrown incidentally because of street protest, so be it. Thats the most demonstrative and actual depiction of the phrase "the sovereignty of the government emanates from the people."*
    The people did not allow her to do it............................ errr its a quote so i answer it
    yes the excutive office needs to improvise within the limits of the law...CPR and its contitutionality is very obvious but as my view says it had grey area ok so it was crafted carefully together with the no permit no rally...situation at that time dictates drastic action so they have to improvise that are within the bounderies of the law remeber the opposition is using the same squid tactics...now it was ruled upon by the court i guess they wont file for reconsideration unlike... as for accountabilty the system is working fine let them file charges these are classic case of a protracted political warfare and for what for the people tsk tsk why dont they just wait for another impeachment and file a better one if they love the country lets us have a normal process......

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    You are arguing in circles, freeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosimos
    Do you mean to say the President knowing that CPR is illegal will still do it and pray that the Supreme Court will declare it legal later?*


    If the President as the first law abiding citizen of the country know that his act has no bases in law, wouldnt be her duty not to proceed with it in the first place.*

    She is supposed to be a President and her main function is to see to it that the laws are respected and followed and not to do illegal acts just to save herself or protect her own selfish interest.*

    did i say she knew CPR Is illegal??nope.... everybody is entitled the benefit of the doubt she have a batallion of legal advisers against his few potent political adviser....particulary cladio who is smart and his advice are effective ................."""She is supposed to be a President and her main function is to see to it that the laws are respected and followed and not to do illegal acts"... you know were all smart people here okay i know you are smart ass too from the time of quezon to magsaysay etc marco cory erap fvr we will hear the same crap ...i know you knew what i meant oh shit il just modify add some inputs tommorow im on party lvling up

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    Oh well, she has a batallion of legal advisers. Antonio Eduardo Nachura is a legal luminary in Political Law. I dont think he does not know what he was doing. Only that he is a lawyer. A lawyer alwyas justifies the moves of his client because anyway he is not the judge.

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    Pag declare palang ni Gloria before klaro na kau na illegal


    @Gareb
    Imu ni name or just a nick? Naa man ko barakada before gud na Gareb taga SWU.
    (Kaila ka ni Harold or ni Leigh?)

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    PissKhanXXX:

    the people as a collective body can never 'abuse democracy' because democracy basically is the expression of the people's will. if the people decide to go to the streets to protest what they see as a rigged election, would we call this an 'abuse of democracy'?

    we have to first understand that what pushes people to march on the streets is their perception that the political institutions that are suppose to serve their interests no longer do so. people march on the streets because an impeachment proceeding has proven to be a sham with prejudiced senator judges in it. people march on the streets because of their perception that an election of the highest political office in the land was rigged, resulting in the declaration of a highly unpopular winner. the last example as you can see applies to both EDSA I and the present events at the Solomon Islands.

    though it may not be denied that some politicians may have instigated the riots, this as the main cause of the political conflagration is very highly unlikely. the protest against the elected prime minister would never reach such massive proportions if it was caused soley by instigations of politicians. the people themselves are on the streets not just because of what politicians say, but because they feel that such an unpopular personality like him does not deserve the post.

    there should be a clear demarcation line between a democratic action and that which leads to anarchy. lootings and senseless destruction of property belong to the later. but when an unarmed people in protest is brutally dispersed by a body that gets orders from an institution whose credibility the people no longer trusts, what avenue is left for them to fight back? such is the logic of anarchy.

    our best defense? credible, accountable and representative political institutions. the people in the Solomon Islands are just awakening to this nightmare of the possibility that their political institution's credibility might be highly questionable. we on our part here in the Philippines knew we had the same problem ages ago.


    Freeza:
    its a legitimate political excersise of the executive branch which was acted upon by the judiciary it is well within or to the extreme within the edge of acceptable democracy....
    not extreme. the judiciary is the final arbiter with regards to questions of legality. this fact cannot be challenged, and as you can see, the Solicitor-General did not protest the authority of the Supreme Court decision.

    please use whole sentences and periods. i cannot breathe.

    did i say she knew CPR Is illegal??
    yep. you said 'everyone' and that includes Gloria and her alipores.

    wak_wak:

    please check your message inbox. sent u a message. ty.
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    As the name implies, unhan silang tanan. Ang mga kaaway ni Arroyo (commies included) nakuratan kay unhan lagi. I guess you have to go over the book entitled "Art of War" by Sun Tzu.

    Reminds me of what Israelis doing during previous wars which decimated the Egyptian Air Force in less than 3 hours (in military sense).

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    T_T*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Shear
    As the name implies, unhan silang tanan. Ang mga kaaway ni Arroyo (commies included) nakuratan kay unhan lagi. I guess you have to go over the book entitled "Art of War" by Sun Tzu.

    Reminds me of what Israelis doing during previous wars which decimated the Egyptian Air Force in less than 3 hours (in military sense).
    lets us just make* a simple case here* the oppsition has two fronts to wage its all out political war againts the sitting government
    one is the legal way impeachment...etc they lost becaUSE at that time they cant all possible unite all of them have different agenda, motives.
    its like trying to make a breed between a dog and a fish you cant mix the two species they are so different

    the other is the illegal way and the most favorite style is the so called people power..oh yeah this so called people power seems like the sovereignty of the people daw ..you know we cant really measure the will or the opinion of the majority of
    people except in a national election....and for all we know this people power revolution as peaceful as it seems to be is the most destructive because it will erode the professionalism and impartiality of many of the government institution particulary the military

    NOW where does CPR and other executive actions fits into these, countering or combating a people power is very difficult unless you are prepared to go overboard or outside the perimeters of a democratic system and impose martial law and other authoritorian means.
    in which case your automatically be the villian crystal clear and you lose better run and live in exile there will be no mercy for you..* *now if you* choose to fight it within the system of acceptable democracy you have learn quickly ,im not going to ellaborate more into these( better make a new thread and i will share my inputs INTO THE mechanics of people power and how it could be easly created and successfuly overthrow a government) but what i knew the current government is a veteran
    of the past EDSA PP s**t they knew how it works the mechanics...they knew just exactly what the opposition is trying to do...


    and yes its good thing the government stood their ground and did something and stop this edsa s**t from happening again and hopefuly forever and its good thing we will learn to follow the book i think the opposition is eyeing for another impeachment but cha-cha is coming so the race is on but at least its all normal legal moves

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    gareb

    if the people as a collective body could never 'abuse' democracy, i couldn't define taking to the streets after being fed those brown ninoy aquino bills a true expression of the people's will for the progress of the whole nation. in the solomon islands, it is unbelievable how, after the insinuation of a few politicians, citizens who go on a rampage, loot and burn establishments, call for a better change. the two examples are what i define as abuse of democracy. the legitimate protests are not in question.

    arriving the day after the election, locals (pro-government and opposition supporters) have recounted of how fraudulent the previous day has been. massive vote-buying was at its best with camps stationed in hotels. firstly, the locals allow their votes to be bought off them. secondly, the newly-elected members of parliament take camps as to the highest bidder. come the new prime-minister and the people uproar! shops have been looted and burnt to the ground. locals, all of a sudden, had flat-screen television sets. some were even so proud to be brandishing shiny bicycles in the streets with a smile. that is the real picture.

    to end, my only concern is that we be realistic in everything that we do. if we take it to the streets, let it be for the better.
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