You can be a moral person without God...

[AmorsoloX]

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There has to be a established Morality standard. Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible, Henry the Eight, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Nixon, or George W. Bush. Were liked by those that saw them as Moral, and even thought of themselves as moral; which is a problem. There has to be an accurate measuring stick. Religious Moral codes provide accepted social standards, many do not follow them but they give us the standard in which to judge their actions.

Man's Morality can change on a whelm or vary person to person. The standard must inflexible, unbending, set in stone. God only gave us 10 laws and if we followed them, we would not need the 50 Titled Volumes of law books in the US which contain the tens of thousands of laws used in the US alone.

so mao lage na inu gusto.. to control people and to limit what they can do to what you consider moral.. im an enemy of that idea.. genghis khan, hitler, stalin, ivan the terrible, st francis, gandhi, mother theresa are all great people.. we just judged them differently..

we are not slaves to any man made laws, we are not prisoners of morality..the fear of being immoral oftens prevents people from achieving greatness..

example lang ha.. cloning.. what wonders could be discovered if these are studied more.. possible cures for cancer, aids, other deadly deseases.. but its considered immoral by many, so human progress slows down.. the priests would say, money is immoral, to become rich is immoral.. so the poor would fear becoming ambitious for this will make him immoral.

[kebotDiNaMute]

sure? because of people like me who stop believing? hmmm.. funny, hehehe.. i guess the church boys hate people like me.. people who have witnessed the truth and are not afraid to challenge the authority of the church.. call me immoral, insane..but i found inner peace outside religion..

daghan ta problema dire tungod sa mga tao nga parehas nimo nga stuck up sa ila self righteousness.. you can tantrum all you want, that wont stop me from living the good "immoral" life.. sa ma suya lang gud..

i know you hate what you cant have.. sus.. na suko mo sa mga "immoral" na parehas nako kay you cant do the things we love to do.. hehehe.. we enjoy life..

i guess the church boys hate people like me..
--- error again brad... love thy enemies... you are contradicting and making false statements... you liar.

people who have witnessed the truth and are not afraid to challenge the authority of the church
--- well if the church is your problem, then its not God... you must be trying to validate your anger towards him by citing the fault of the churches... hmmm, by the way its not his fault its run by people with the same interest like you... its not him who have a problem its you.

call me immoral, insane..
--- nuts... hahaha! joke. I havent read anyone address you immoral or insane... those were followed by question mark so its not definite... but don't get us wrong if we suspect you of one because you just said its ok to be immoral... have you gone insane?

but i found inner peace outside religion
--- yea the way you posted here is not a peace seeking person, but a man under protest...

daghan ta problema dire tungod sa mga tao nga parehas nimo nga stuck up sa ila self righteousness
--- have you gone NUTS? well the people you are talking to are people who want to live in righteousness... how can it be wrong to live a righteous life.... NUTS?


that wont stop me from living the good "immoral" life.. sa ma suya lang gud..
--- see the quality you presented... you want to live an immoral life so people can see you special... and advertise your self as the model of immorality... hahay, am i talking to a normal mature person... i can understand if i talk to a crying baby...

pida. ubos ubosi tawn bot2 brad... hala sugdi imo pagka immoral i will follow through sa headlines... hahay!

[kebotDiNaMute]

"Religionists are clinging to little, positive, verbal, formal versions of the moral law... while the laws of the Law, the great circling truths whose only adequate symbol is the material laws, the astronomy etc. are all unobserved, and sneered at when spoken of."

--Ralph Waldo Emerson, in "Emerson: The Mind on Fire" p. 151

thats the beauty: Before even confirmed we already believe in the TRUTH.

Man from Dust
Researchers at NASA's Ames Research Center confirmed that every element in man can be found in the soil, prompting one of the scientists to say "...the biblical scenario for the creation of life turns out to be not far off the mark".

Precise dimensions of Noah's Ark
The dimensions of Noah's Ark as described in the Bible are ideal for stability. In fact, South Korean architects who examined the dimensions found that the boat was virtually impossible to capsize! Their modeling and analysis found that the ark could survive waves higher than 30 meters! (note that a typical tsunami is only 10 meters high) [11]. Many other cultures have flood legends similar to the account in the Bible, but their ark descriptions were never palatable. For example, the Babylonian Gilgamesh Flood legend described an ark that was shaped like a cube, which would be horrible for stability.



Air Currents: The wind goes toward the south, And turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit. [Ecclesiastes 1:6]
The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.
The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.

The Hydrologic Cycle:
The Mississippi River, which is just one of thousands of rivers all over this planet, dumps over six million gallons of water per second into the Gulf of Mexico. The answer to where all that water goes lies in the hydrologic cycle, or circulation of the earth's water… something that was not fully accepted until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, although the earliest literature indicating an understanding of this cycle was apparently around the third or fourth century BC.. Aristotle demonstrated only a vague understanding of this process… though he recognized that rain came from clouds, he incorrectly postulated that air turned into water and vice versa.
Either way the Bible accurately portrays of this cycle 2500 years before it was widely accepted. Note the following passages:

• For He draws up the drops of water, they distill rain from the mist, which the clouds pour down, they drip upon man abundantly. [Job 36:27,28]
  The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name. [Amos 9:6]
  
  
  want more? read here
  http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.html
  

[AmorsoloX]

thats the beauty: Before even confirmed we already believe in the TRUTH.

Man from Dust
Researchers at NASA's Ames Research Center confirmed that every element in man can be found in the soil, prompting one of the scientists to say "...the biblical scenario for the creation of life turns out to be not far off the mark".

Precise dimensions of Noah's Ark
The dimensions of Noah's Ark as described in the Bible are ideal for stability. In fact, South Korean architects who examined the dimensions found that the boat was virtually impossible to capsize! Their modeling and analysis found that the ark could survive waves higher than 30 meters! (note that a typical tsunami is only 10 meters high) [11]. Many other cultures have flood legends similar to the account in the Bible, but their ark descriptions were never palatable. For example, the Babylonian Gilgamesh Flood legend described an ark that was shaped like a cube, which would be horrible for stability.



Air Currents: The wind goes toward the south, And turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit. [Ecclesiastes 1:6]
The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.
The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.

The Hydrologic Cycle:
The Mississippi River, which is just one of thousands of rivers all over this planet, dumps over six million gallons of water per second into the Gulf of Mexico. The answer to where all that water goes lies in the hydrologic cycle, or circulation of the earth's water… something that was not fully accepted until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, although the earliest literature indicating an understanding of this cycle was apparently around the third or fourth century BC.. Aristotle demonstrated only a vague understanding of this process… though he recognized that rain came from clouds, he incorrectly postulated that air turned into water and vice versa.
Either way the Bible accurately portrays of this cycle 2500 years before it was widely accepted. Note the following passages:

• For He draws up the drops of water, they distill rain from the mist, which the clouds pour down, they drip upon man abundantly. [Job 36:27,28]
  The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name. [Amos 9:6]
  
  
  want more? read here
  http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.html
  

hahaha.. ka shallow pud nga mga scientific claims oi.. sa water, ma observed man jud ng condensation kung mag cook ka.. its a a simple model of the hydrologic cycle.. civilizations earlier than the jews even know that fact..

kanang air current saun ra na iobserve sa bukid.. you dont have to be an expert to know where the wind comes from and where it goes..

kanang dimensions sa ark, by standards normal ra na for large sea faring vessels.. we even have our very own balanghay.. the balanghay itself could survive rough seas.. its good to know the ancients know a lot about thier ships..

man from dust.. gikuha ni sa fact kay ma abo ang lawas sa tao after decomposition.. motoo sila nga ang mabilin kay ang basic materials..

kining mga butanga, general knowledge ra man ni oi... (except sa ark, naval architects could shed more light about that)

how bout explain other phenomonons such as lightning, earthquakes, mirage effect..

[kebotDiNaMute]

hahaha.. ka shallow pud nga mga scientific claims oi.. sa water, ma observed man jud ng condensation kung mag cook ka.. its a a simple model of the hydrologic cycle.. civilizations earlier than the jews even know that fact..

kanang air current saun ra na iobserve sa bukid.. you dont have to be an expert to know where the wind comes from and where it goes..

kanang dimensions sa ark, by standards normal ra na for large sea faring vessels.. we even have our very own balanghay.. the balanghay itself could survive rough seas.. its good to know the ancients know a lot about thier ships..

man from dust.. gikuha ni sa fact kay ma abo ang lawas sa tao after decomposition.. motoo sila nga ang mabilin kay ang basic materials..

kining mga butanga, general knowledge ra man ni oi... (except sa ark, naval architects could shed more light about that)

how bout explain other phenomonons such as lightning, earthquakes, mirage effect..

YES YOU ARE WELL RIGHT... but written 3000 years ago... i must be joking... shallow? hehehe! please consider the time when it was written before we confirmed it... yes, its impossible in those time to tell them about evaporation... condensation process... and yea, why did an ark have precise measurement? ga testing2 cla barko sa una? hmmmm... i wonder pila ka tuig himoon ing ana ka dako... permi ma lunod.. hahaha

wake up!

how bout explain other phenomonons such as lightning, earthquakes, mirage effect..
--- how can u explain a phenomena in a dictionary? aw try wiki it will help... point brad, your case is science... my book is not. who's right now? well both book/knowledge are right... its YOU asking the wrong question... therefore YOU are wrong. get me?

[AmorsoloX]

people who have witnessed the truth and are not afraid to challenge the authority of the church
--- well if the church is your problem, then its not God... you must be trying to validate your anger towards him by citing the fault of the churches... hmmm, by the way its not his fault its run by people with the same interest like you... its not him who have a problem its you.

daghan ta problema dire tungod sa mga tao nga parehas nimo nga stuck up sa ila self righteousness
--- have you gone NUTS? well the people you are talking to are people who want to live in righteousness... how can it be wrong to live a righteous life.... NUTS?

righteousness based on what other people tells you as what is right.. yeah right... the church or any religion has no monopoly on what is correct, there is no absulute authority..

i dont hate God.. in fact i love God.. what i hate are those people who use the name of God to brainwash people and control them.. it becomes a form of corruption..

my GOD gave me life and gave me freedom, when i die, the thing he will ask me is, "did you have a good time?", ill answer him "yes i did, thanks so much", he wont be asking for my sins.. my God taught me to never bow down to any man nor allow other men to impose their superstition on me..

p.s. there is no such thing as evil.. evil are those who are opposite to your beliefs, then again perception is relative.. its a two way street..

[AmorsoloX]

YES YOU ARE WELL RIGHT... but written 3000 years ago... i must be joking... shallow? hehehe! please consider the time when it was written before we confirmed it... yes, its impossible in those time to tell them about evaporation... condensation process... and yea, why did an ark have precise measurement? ga testing2 cla barko sa una? hmmmm... i wonder pila ka tuig himoon ing ana ka dako... permi ma lunod.. hahaha

wake up!

how bout explain other phenomonons such as lightning, earthquakes, mirage effect..
--- how can u explain a phenomena in a dictionary? aw try wiki it will help... point brad, your case is science... my book is not. who's right now? well both book/knowledge are right... its YOU asking the wrong question... therefore YOU are wrong. get me?

3000 years ago, humans are already well developed.. fire was discovered hundreds of years before that.. so dont tell me humans only knew how to boil water during the time it was written... im thinking imo gi underestimate mga tao before.. try building your own pyramid of giza, then tell all those egyptians that they dont know engineering..

return na ta sa morality..

point is, just because the bible is right bout a few general facts, it doesnt mean its has the authority over men.. men may choose to follow it or not.. people dont die if they do or dont.. except if you kill them just because they dont share your belief..

what i hate are people who force other people to believe on what the think is right.. every man has is allowed to have his own belief.. but sadly most are as what chad says "spiritual blackmail".. kinsa ba dili mo kurog inngon nga ma imperno oi..

[chad_tukes]

thats the beauty: Before even confirmed we already believe in the TRUTH.

Man from Dust
Researchers at NASA's Ames Research Center confirmed that every element in man can be found in the soil, prompting one of the scientists to say "...the biblical scenario for the creation of life turns out to be not far off the mark".

Precise dimensions of Noah's Ark
The dimensions of Noah's Ark as described in the Bible are ideal for stability. In fact, South Korean architects who examined the dimensions found that the boat was virtually impossible to capsize! Their modeling and analysis found that the ark could survive waves higher than 30 meters! (note that a typical tsunami is only 10 meters high) [11]. Many other cultures have flood legends similar to the account in the Bible, but their ark descriptions were never palatable. For example, the Babylonian Gilgamesh Flood legend described an ark that was shaped like a cube, which would be horrible for stability.



Air Currents: The wind goes toward the south, And turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit. [Ecclesiastes 1:6]
The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.
The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.

The Hydrologic Cycle:
The Mississippi River, which is just one of thousands of rivers all over this planet, dumps over six million gallons of water per second into the Gulf of Mexico. The answer to where all that water goes lies in the hydrologic cycle, or circulation of the earth's water… something that was not fully accepted until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, although the earliest literature indicating an understanding of this cycle was apparently around the third or fourth century BC.. Aristotle demonstrated only a vague understanding of this process… though he recognized that rain came from clouds, he incorrectly postulated that air turned into water and vice versa.
Either way the Bible accurately portrays of this cycle 2500 years before it was widely accepted. Note the following passages:

• For He draws up the drops of water, they distill rain from the mist, which the clouds pour down, they drip upon man abundantly. [Job 36:27,28]
  The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name. [Amos 9:6]
  
  
  want more? read here
  http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.html
  

huh?! how the heck is that related to MORALITY?

[Existanz]

hahaha.... vatican is the smallest country in the planet.. its even inside italy.. its a state composed of just several blocks..

rich ang vatican kay imagine, every sunday naa gud ta love offerings.. the priests dont have to do this and do that, they just have to few a few scriptures then presto.. money!

rio de jenero (brazil) is mostly catholic as well as the rest of south america, but their crime rate is very2x high.. somalia.. they have their religion.. but you can say it the wild west out there..

philippines is a largely catholic country, taas gani kaau crime rate..

there is no such thing as the perfect country or location.. as long as there are people and there are conflicts of interest, then there will be bad things..

sa ako lang na observe sa north korea ba.. they dont have a religion, but they think of their leader as a kind of God.. its more like a cult.. although interesting baya ang life sa ila leader.. hehehe..

It was just jest hehe...actually there's really no correlation between crime rates and being religious. Most people who have bad egg for religion tend to connect repress human behavior for the reasons as to why the high rates of crime or corruption in predominantly religious country, like the Philippines, Brazil or Mexico which are Christian.

I think that the Catholic church really screwed up in their stewardship...it's a sad fact that most would not admit. But the blame rest not only the religious authorities but also on people who's mind already fixed on the material things of the world. Why is it that most Filipinos who eat three time a day plus snacks in between, live in a modest house and can buy enough little luxury and yet had the balls to admit in front of the camera that they are poor or 'mahirap ang buhay'? Where did this mentality seeps in?

While the church was busy ranting about corruption in the government, never ending quest for 'katotohanan' and all that sloganeering, it forgot to address the very need of its multitude of churchgoers. They need to be reminded not to lose hope in doing good despite the hardship. That there is virtue in starting small to achieve the bigger things in life and all those Christ teaches us to make our 'yoke easy'...sadly, we went on and choose the 'yoke' of modernity. I do not decry why the Church can not do something about this, but their bad was that they did not meet this head on and rant about this (perhaps they don't want the commercial brainwashed folks in the pews to be uneasy).

The tendency was that the Catholic church led the Filipino people into a myth that the sad state of the country were cause by the selfish greedy politicians and not by the Filipinos themselves. I think they're having a hard time bringing this in front of the pews- it was the Church who was responsible ever since instill into the Filipino psyche the virtues of being meek and submissive, like a water buffalo in the rice paddies. These makes Filipinos tends to be forgiving and leave justice everything to God including corrupt politicians running loose in a Christian country.

Despite saying this, I insist that it's not entirely the Church's fault as to why our country siting in vast natural resources yet still remains a poor country.

[munzter666]

Oh..partly true- coincidence perhaps? How come Vatican City has zero crime rate? hehe...or North Korea as the poorest country eh? they're true blue atheist country and very poor one.

Cite any atheist country that is free from crime or corruption yet poor. There maybe many atheist in the foxholes but I have doubts whether there is one in the slums.

ZERO crime rate!? uhhhm, they got more brothels on their outskirts/city limits than amsterdam's red light district if i'm not mistaken.

and is there ever or was there ever an ATHEIST country to begin with? some countries may be NON religious centered/IRRELIGIOUS perhaps, but that doesnt automatically make it an atheist country.