Bible Fanatic

[Existanz]

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If Christ did come back, the True Christians™ would probably have him executed. Again.

@bold...maximum opinion bias. Statement simply say: True Christians™ equals bigotry.

This is not the case considering the countless christian denominations (equals tolerance). Last check Pastor Quiboloy still alive and kicking...nobody had yet executed him for his claim (again equals tolerance).

Christian's are united in their stand that Jesus Christ is the Lord that is their faith, even if they fall divided on the knowledge of His Lordship.

Or just branded as another false prophet.

This is reasonable but Christ would have expected it...He urge us to do so in the first place, to barred and guard the gate of our faith. I think as a christian it is not our concern to know what kind of Christ Jesus would be in His second coming but what kind of christian we should be as Jesus would expect from us upon His return (to which we should strive everyday of our existence). We are not the Shepperd but the sheep...it's in the power of the Shepperd to gather His flocks. Christian simply sit still and wait in faithfulness for His promise of return- He will find us.

[regnauld]

The Divinity of Christ is the same as the Divinity of the Ancient masters in the past as well as in the present and future masters!

[schmuck]

@bold...maximum opinion bias. Statement simply say: True Christians™ equals bigotry.

This is not the case considering the countless christian denominations (equals tolerance). Last check Pastor Quiboloy still alive and kicking...nobody had yet executed him for his claim (again equals tolerance).

Christian's are united in their stand that Jesus Christ is the Lord that is their faith, even if they fall divided on the knowledge of His Lordship.

From what I've seen here, those who claim to be True Christians™ seem to think they have exclusive rights to salvation. You know, that smugness that all other religions/denominations are wrong and theirs is right.
So ok, tolerate the others, they're going to hell anyway.

This is reasonable but Christ would have expected it...He urge us to do so in the first place, to barred and guard the gate of our faith. I think as a christian it is not our concern to know what kind of Christ Jesus would be in His second coming but what kind of christian we should be as Jesus would expect from us upon His return (to which we should strive everyday of our existence). We are not the Shepperd but the sheep...it's in the power of the Shepperd to gather His flocks. Christian simply sit still and wait in faithfulness for His promise of return- He will find us.

Ding ding! What if its the fake Christ and you believed it?
Or what if its the true one, but you didn't believe it?

That's my point here and what I've been discussing with james. You can never know, because as you said, you are only sheep. Sheep that have no way of knowing that the shepherd that comes to get them is the real one or not. It could very well be, the wolf in shepherd's clothing that finds you

[Existanz]

From what I've seen here, those who claim to be True Christians™ seem to think they have exclusive rights to salvation. You know, that smugness that all other religions/denominations are wrong and theirs is right.
So ok, tolerate the others, they're going to hell anyway.

Now that is much better...than having to execute someone. I accept I can tolerate other religions but don't expect me to believe they're right, otherwise I could not be a christian. Would Jesus be Christ if He also believes that Zeus and His Father are one?

Ding ding! What if its the fake Christ and you believed it?
Or what if its the true one, but you didn't believe it?

Oh, this is easy..Jesus promise that those who believe in Him shall not perish..much more being fooled by the clone messiah..see, chicken..nothing to worry about false jesus only strive what Jesus wanted us to do and believe..the rest is up to Him.

That's my point here and what I've been discussing with james. You can never know, because as you said, you are only sheep. Sheep that have no way of knowing that the shepherd that comes to get them is the real one or not. It could very well be, the wolf in shepherd's clothing that finds you

Yeah, 'you' can never know which is which because 'you' don't believe the real one. Besides why is there a shepherd among the sheep flocks? What does His staff mean to you? Christ said He is a good shepherd and loves His sheep...

[schmuck]

^ lol
if you followed my previous discussion with james, you would realize that even the Jesus you know now, God, the bible, EVERYTHING, could be Satan's great deception. He acknowledged that possibility and took in on faith nalang.
Wala cya kahatag og solid nga tubag to say otherwise.

anyway, on topic of bible fanatics
Q:What happens when Christians(True™?, dunno) follow this verse literally

Exodus 22:18 (King James Version)18Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

A:
African Children Denounced As “Witches” By Christian Pastors | Abesha Bunna Bet
*Warning*, the video is VERY graphic on this link
Five people suspected to be witchcrafts were bruterly murded in kisii Nyamataro Village | Africa | World News

last time I checked, we're in 2009 already, not in 1609. Bible fanaticism must be curbed.

[Existanz]

^ lol
if you followed my previous discussion with james, you would realize that even the Jesus you know now, God, the bible, EVERYTHING, could be Satan's great deception. He acknowledged that possibility and took in on faith nalang.
Wala cya kahatag og solid nga tubag to say otherwise.

The Bible is Satan's greatest deception therefore so is what it says about Jesus Christ. Hmm...dili consistent. Satan can not do something against his nature, likewise in the same manner as God. Can we believe that as people were being garroted to death by their captors had the balls to ask God for their tormentors salvation? Okay here something much simple, can Satan think something good for us?

anyway, on topic of bible fanatics
Q:What happens when Christians(True™?, dunno) follow this verse literally
A:
African Children Denounced As “Witches” By Christian Pastors | Abesha Bunna Bet
*Warning*, the video is VERY graphic on this link
Five people suspected to be witchcrafts were bruterly murded in kisii Nyamataro Village | Africa | World News

last time I checked, we're in 2009 already, not in 1609. Bible fanaticism must be curbed.

African Children Denounced As “Witches” By Christian Pastors
Written by DrEthiopia Headlines, World News Oct 18, 2009

Witch ChildrenEKET, Nigeria — The nine-year-old boy lay on a bloodstained hospital sheet crawling with ants, staring blindly at the wall.

His family pastor had accused him of being a witch, and his father then tried to force acid down his throat as an exorcism. It spilled as he struggled, burning away his face and eyes. The emaciated boy barely had strength left to whisper the name of the church that had denounced him – Mount Zion Lighthouse.

A month later, he died.

Nwanaokwo Edet was one of an increasing number of children in Africa accused of witchcraft by pastors and then tortured or killed, often by family members. Pastors were involved in half of 200 cases of “witch children” reviewed by the AP, and 13 churches were named in the case files.

Some of the churches involved are renegade local branches of international franchises. Their parishioners take literally the Biblical exhortation, “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.”

“It is an outrage what they are allowing to take place in the name of Christianity,” said Gary Foxcroft, head of nonprofit Stepping Stones Nigeria.

For their part, the families are often extremely poor, and sometimes even relieved to have one less mouth to feed. Poverty, conflict and poor education lay the foundation for accusations, which are then triggered by the death of a relative, the loss of a job or the denunciation of a pastor on the make, said Martin Dawes, a spokesman for the United Nations Children’s Fund.


“When communities come under pressure, they look for scapegoats,” he said. “It plays into traditional beliefs that someone is responsible for a negative change … and children are defenseless.”

There...that's makes it clearer. The Bible verse was not the main reasons for the kid sufferings but serve only to buttress something much deeper than their faith. Most of these so called Christians in Africa became christian out of necessity...they really never leave their voodoo behind.

For us who now lived in the 21st century, burning witches is very cruel and barbaric. It is easy to be that judgmental, while we have the luxury of going to school and enjoying all the modernity of technology brings.

Why don't you take a survey and ask any Bible fanatic whether it is really right to burn witches.

Let's start from me, I'm a Christian Bible Fanatic and burning witches is not right even if the Jews saw it fit to condemn people as such to fire.

[Existanz]

By the way, can anyone cite a verse were the Bible tells a certain stories about witch burning..

at least kabalo sad kung naa man.

Kuan pud diay, kining 'Witch' nga term originated from north america which refers to Wiccans- followers of Wiccan religion. Scofield Reference Bible takes out Exodus 22.18 from the Hebrew Scriptures some 1491 BCE- about 650 years before the origin of the Celtic people around 850 BCE. Wicca take some elements from Celtics. Knowing King James and his phobic about 'witches' makes things clearer.

[schmuck]

Satan can not do something against his nature

You don't know this.

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But now do you understand the dilemma of the True Christian™?
From their perspective, what they are doing is correct. They are the True Christians™.

But you're also here, saying that they are wrong, they are not True Christians™.

May I introduce you to the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

[Existanz]

You don't know this.

You mean you're sure that Satan can do good that is righteous before God? You see, if he can only just think about that then his repentance is possible. But his nature prevented him that because his is absolute rebellion to God.

But now do you understand the dilemma of the True Christian™?
From their perspective, what they are doing is correct. They are the True Christians™.

But you're also here, saying that they are wrong, they are not True Christians™.

May I introduce you to the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

Frankly, only Jesus can decide who's not christian in the end. Even if they do wallow in logical fallacy as what you are trying to point out must of us agree that there is only one Saviour and it is Jesus Christ- that He is the Son of God.

Like us pinoys, we like bibingka but not all like raspberry bibingka or bibingkang pinaliki hehe...some christian wants to be liberal christian others opt to be conservative...its in their nature to pursue what their spirit wanted them to..still the fundamental remain the same- Only Jesus Saves.

But what are you trying to get at really out of this 'No true Scotman's fallacy?

[schmuck]

You mean you're sure that Satan can do good that is righteous before God? You see, if he can only just think about that then his repentance is possible. But his nature prevented him that because his is absolute rebellion to God.

I got the idea that this Satan dude is very cunning. Possible that he acts righteous to deceive.

But what are you trying to get at really out of this 'No true Scotman's fallacy?

That there are no True Christians™