Catholic Church : immoral daw ang pag spray sa saging

[h3lios]

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pwede mani istorya an.. ngano ipa media paman pud oi

because of public opinion. Kon istoryahan ra na nimo ang mga corporations and landlords, igo ra na nila palusoton sa pikas dunggan kay dili man aware ang public og unsa ilang binuhatan. Pero kon makita na nila na ang ilang kontra daghan og bati ang panan-aw sa publiko sa ilaha (due to publicity) basin mohimo sila og aksyon para dili mobati ilang "public image".

[AmorsoloX]

for me..naa point ang simbahan..for the TS, since you are claiming nga safe and cost effective ang aerial spraying..well ako challenge nimo is why not stay sa didto nga lugar for a period of time..including your family..then tell us kung ok baka ani nga idea to stay there to test if it really is safe...challenge na ha..let us see kung unsa ka ka klase nga tawo...tsk tsk tsk...

been there done that, stayed their for 2months way back.. its not like sprayan jud ang atop sa imo balay.. i even enjoy watching those airplanes while they do their thing.. so far wala man health problems ang owner sa house and iya family.. to think think 13 year old na ila anak..

[AmorsoloX]

pwede mani istorya an.. ngano ipa media paman pud oi

pwede ra gud storyahan..

aw kanang simbahan, kung walay media coverage, wala nay interes.. gusto man pud ng simbahan nga powerful pud daw kuno sila..

kapansin mo nga kanang mga church officials, wala nasila interest sa gagmay nga butang.. pero kung naa lagi mga dagko nga issue2x.. magsaba2x daun na sila..

[grlnxtdor16]

i think there can be a win-win solution here if both parties are willing to compromise for the safety of all

[AmorsoloX]

But in fairness to the religious groups, most of them (mainly the catholic church) has empowered the common people in depressed communities. They have inspired the formerly helpless to fight for their rights. Today's church is a far cry from the dark ages when the church mainly said that the people shut up and be satisfied of being exploited.

i disagree.. church officials are using the church to obtain political power and influence.. maski si noynoy nikurog man gani pagyawit sa simbahan regarding the RH-bill. thats how influential the church is.. and sadly. they arent using it for the benefit of the whole country..

the church to day wants us to shut up and be satisfied while being exploited by it.. competensya sa simbahan ang mga politiko..

[AmorsoloX]

i think there can be a win-win solution here if both parties are willing to compromise for the safety of all

personally, ako ma suggest is relocate ang farmers.. simple as that.. mka afford man ang plantations mo relocate, and some are even willing

ang problem is willing ba ang farmers mo relocate... mas cheaper alternative ang relocation kay sa pag acquire new equipments.. besides. dili man lang air ang problema.. naa man pud water contamination.. even if magchange to other forms of application of fertilzer/pesticide, as long as naa fertilizer gigamit synthetic or organic, mo produce jud na og pollutants.. so much better if ipalayo jud ng mga farmers

i wonder ngano mas grabe ang focus sa air when most problems/complications are due to water pollution..

[h3lios]

Passion For Reason
Bishops’ plea on aerial spraying

By Raul Pangalangan
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 23:01:00 11/05/2009

THE BISHOPS HAVE RIGHTLY OPPOSED aerial spraying in banana farms on the basis of the ancient unassailable claim of justice: “Do not do to others what you would not like to be done to you.” They essentially dare the banana plantation owners and banana exporters: Are you yourselves willing to be exposed to these chemicals, the same way you expose others?

Aerial spraying entails the use of low-flying air planes to shower pesticides over the plantations, exposing the farm workers, the neighboring residents, and the down-stream and down-wind communities to health hazards. Four bishops have called it “immoral” because it “infringes upon human health and dignity.” On a related matter, the bishop of Infanta, Quezon, has likewise joined hands with the Agta-Dumagat indigenous peoples who will be displaced by the Laiban Dam that San Miguel Corp. and the MWSS propose to build in the Sierra Madre.

I’m glad the bishops have chimed in on these raging social disputes, though I wonder why we wait for men of the cloth to speak before conscienticized men and women cut from the same cloth take to the streets.

But there is hope. Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez has filed a bill banning Dithane, a fungicide to deter leaf diseases but which the US Environmental Protection Agency has found to cause cancer. Sen. Juan Miguel Zubiri has proposed a total nationwide ban. Sentrong Albernatibong Lingap Panligal headed by UP law professor Arnold de Vera has asked the Supreme Court to uphold a Davao City ordinance banning aerial spraying in the city’s sprawling agricultural areas. (The Court of Appeals had earlier struck down the ordinance.)

The anti-aerial spraying bishops have threatened to bring the issue “to the international market.” That is not an idle threat. It has been done before. In the late 1990s, the Swiss grocery chain Migros signed a “social clause” with, among others, Del Monte Foods International Corp., to examine the social conditions under which the pineapples were grown, with regard to labor rights, land rights, and environmental standards (in particular, waste water disposal and fertilizers and pesticides). The logic was: Sellers and consumers are entitled to ask whether the fruits were grown hygienically—for example, far from sewer water, without sickening fertilizers, or using toxic insecticides. Why can’t they ask if the fruits were grown by underpaid and unhappy workers? If the consumer won’t feel good after eating fruits washed, to use an extreme example, in estero water, would he feel any better knowing the fruit was harvested by farmers with hearts embittered by injustice? Wouldn’t the bad vibes rub off on him who thrives off the pain of others?

Poor countries like ours have endured “social and environmental dumping” in the “race to the bottom” for a share in global trade. What “fair trade” proposes, however, is not to kill the banana industry but to improve the conditions of work for the worker while securing markets for the producers. The enforcement mechanism used was “social labeling” that assures the consumer that the product he is buying has been made under acceptable conditions. It empowers the consumer to vote with his pocketbook, and knowingly to pay a premium—a higher price—to support values that he has embraced. It rewards producers with price premiums if they comply with fair trade standards.

Therein lies the problem with the bishops’ threat to bring the issue “to the international market.” Look at the market for Philippine bananas. Figures from 2002 show that we exported some 1.4 million tons of bananas worth close to $300 million. We rank 4th all over the world among banana exporting countries and, in 2000, contributed almost 10 percent of the world’s bananas. But our main markets are Japan (66 percent), China (12 percent), Republic of Korea (7 percent), Taiwan (6 percent) and United Arab Emirates (6 percent), with Saudi Arabia and Iran as growing markets as well. Now let me ask you: Do you think those banana eaters will—before they take a bite—think about the banana farmers and ask if they had ingested all the pesticides?

Market-based solutions assume that consumers are ready to use their buying power to teach immoral traders a lesson. These solutions assume that consumers have a conscience and are prepared to act on that conscience. Of all the countries mentioned above, I would venture that Japan, Korea and Taiwan would have active consumer movements able to muster a market demand for “aerial-spraying-free” bananas.

That is why the pending battle before the Supreme Court looms as the most real solution. Earlier this year, the Court of Appeals’ Mindanao Station in Cagayan de Oro struck down the Davao ban as “unreasonable and oppressive.” One, its 3-month grace period to shift to non-aerial spraying was “impossible to comply with.” All other forms of spraying would have entailed a longer transition period, or would result in similar health hazards. Two, the CA struck Davao’s ban for overbreadth, for being a “sweeping imposition against … all forms of substances” that extends to innocent vitamins or minerals as well. Three, the 30-meter buffer zone requirement, as applied to small plantations, amounts to a taking of private property without just compensation.

The SC’s past rulings disfavor such “heightened scrutiny” over mere property regulations. It reserves such searching review only for violations of civil liberties and instead applies a deferential standard. Social justice is constitutionalized to insulate it from politics where it is expected to lose. The spraying ban won the day in Davao politics but sadly lost in the courts, in the very sanctuary where the Constitution thought it would be safest.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ AMORSOLOX ...

Wala na nako masubay hehehe ... pero anyways ... summarize na lang ni :

- it is still wrong for you to say that just because you are a self proclaimed ENEMY of the CHURCH .
- again , have you heard of AIRBORNE DROPLETS ?
- these substances can even travel miles before it settles down .
- BISHOPS are UTOK BOLINAO ? Now spare me on that !
- its the BUSINESSMEN who are GREEDY ang UTOK BOLINAO !
- all you guys wanted are MONEY , MONEY , MONEY , PROFIT and MORE ... LOTS of MONEY !!
- naa man kaha RICULTURAL , explain to me what is ORGANIC and NATURAL FARMING because that is clearly the ALTERNATIVE of MASS PRODUCTION which compensates and gives a WIN WIN situation on both producers and consumers . That is if you respect LIFE .
- dont blame the CHURCH if there are other issues left behind like other petty crimes as what 1 forumer pointed out . How sure are you guys that u have the facts ? By the way ... even if you stayed for 2 months , di man gani maka guarantee ang 1 ka tao to speak in behalf bisan tuig na siya naka stay , buwan pa kaha ?
- spare us also the notion that FERTILIZERS are POLLUTANTS , ang INSECTICIDES lage and PESTICIDES ang pollutants . Again you showing your arrogance on being an ENTREPRENEUR , its cheaper to relocate the farmers than acquire new equipments ? maybe but that is not a long term solution .

[Tarmac]

If I were an ambulance-chasing lawyer, I'd do a survey on plantation communities to check for a higher-than-normal incidence of cancer among farmers and their families.

Or perhaps I'd do a survey among spray pilots and ground crew. If there is, as a group, a high incidence of cancer, I'd then try to connect the findings to their work in aerial application. After which I'd file a class action suit on their behalf against the plantations a la Erin Brokovich, win a few million dolllars, then retire early. And then the plantations would stop crop-dusting.

If I were an ambulance-chasing lawyer.

Spray pilots are extremely well-compensated. They make more than even pilots flying jets with major airlines. The joke in the aviation industry, however, is that they'll need every cent later on to pay for cancer treatment.

[sgrnim]

naunsa na jud ni catholic church.. pati pa man saging hilabatan?

so unsa man gi propose nga solution sa church ani? ampoan nlang ang mga tanom nga maau og ani?
ang simabahan wala naghuna2x sa livilihood and income nga na generate ani nga industry para sa community and para sa ato country..

ang church maau ra jud sa storya.. paminaw nako, ang operators sa plantation wala nag hatag lagay sa mga pari.. tsk tsk tsk..

kanang organic fertilizer. dili jud kaau na epektibo.. klase klase reaction sa kada tanom sa mga fertilizer.. ang fertilizer sa saging dili parehas sa fertilizer sa humay og mais.. hunahunaon mas delikado pa gani ang organic fertilizer kay taas kaau nitric content along with potassium.. mao na isa sa mga major pollutants sa mga suba og estero... mas mahal pud ang organic fertilizer kay sa synthetic.. gi design pud ang synthetic nga pesticide.. tanan fertilizer pwede magamit pesticide maski pa organic. pero di lang jud kaau effective..

kung wala livilihood ng mga farmers, mag unsa nlang na sila? mag NPA nlang or mag MILF or mag bandido? daun mangkidnap daun sila.. dapat ila kidnapon mga pari... para mkatilaw ng mga paria kung unsa jud ka wa klaro ilang tinoohan..

puro nlang jud BS ako madungan gkan sa simbahan these days.. what a pity.. for being self-proclaimed guardians of morality.. they are being impractical and more political.. gaina lang dha sa junquera, naa ko kitan mga manlilimos, tigulang nga babae.. nagsugat sila sa madre, natingala lang ko kay madre straight ra og lakaw, murag wa kita sa manlilimos nga iyang nakasugat..

di ko matingala pobre ta.. kung naa ta industry, mo yawit daun mga pari nga immoral na.. murag di jud gusto ang simbahan nga madato ta.. hinoon.. di man sila gusto competensya..

Ako brod wala namn ko ka uyon nai mga pari ky mag apil apil labi na sa politica...dili ko uyon ani nila..

pero bro ang mga pari naa punto ani nga issue..usa sa rason ngano ni balhin mi diri sa cebu gikan ngad2 sa mindano ky tunod ana nga pollision, ako papa na matay sa hipa ug dili lng tungod sa hipa naa pajud led substance nga ni pilit sa iya dugo tungod ana nga chemicals mostly sa ako mga silingan ang kamatyan ky hipa nga nakuha sa tubig ug hangin ug sakit sa dugo..ka sulti lng ka ana ky wala mn ka kapuyo ana mga lugara or kung naka puyo mn gani ka basin full air condition inyo..pero pariho ra japon epicto bro..imo life spand didto ky 20yrs ra...kung pirmi ka xpose ana nga chemical..ang pina ka worst bro..ky ang imo panit dili guro ka pwdi did bro oi, ky sa duda naku gwapohon ka. ma bati ka ug nawng ngd2 labi na nga mag samad samad imo panit nya burot burot tungod sa haning. naa mn punto ang pari ani nga issue bro..sa pag ka karon agree ko sa pari...