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    na naa gyud ng ginoo guro oi, motoo pa ko mabuhi pa tag way relihiyon
    pero if walay ginoo wala man sad ta ngari, siya gud nagbutang nato diri as test subjects sa iyaha experiments hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifeforce View Post
    Life is too short not to believe in God. There is a force beyond our material senses.
    that's a "short-cut" way of viewing life. i ain't surprised. religion itself is a shortcut way of living life. you don't even have proof that there IS a force beyond our material senses. i guess it's true, it's what you call "FAITH"---believing in what you don't see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmorsoloX View Post
    had to agree with this..

    religion is just created by men.. religion is used by its leaders to subjugate the people thru the fear of eternal punishment and damnation.. by no way any religion is the moral authority of men..

    there are many times that the rational action is by church standards immoral..

    examples:

    torture, you torture somebody to get information that would give you an advantage over the enemy.. if you dont torture him for information, chances are your going to suffer more casualties..

    genocide.. you kill everybody from the enemy side to take over his/her resources to ensure the survival of your civilization, and to make sure nobody from that side will take revenge on you..

    cheating.. college, its better to cheat than to repeat..

    violence, deterrence, you make your enemies know that your capable of doing bad things so that they will think twice before attacking you..

    greed.. you hoard resources so that you and your family may have access to scarce resources at times of crisis..

    any action with the intent of good or for the welfare of many is good even if it causes pain and suffering to a very few.. the end always justifies the means as long as it is efficient..

    mas maau ikaw motapak kay sa ikaw matapakan
    in short, religion is spiritual blackmail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmelsie View Post
    na naa gyud ng ginoo guro oi, motoo pa ko mabuhi pa tag way relihiyon
    pero if walay ginoo wala man sad ta ngari, siya gud nagbutang nato diri as test subjects sa iyaha experiments hehehe
    agree with this one.. daghay mga pangutana nga di matubag.. except sa statement nga ang ginoo ra nkabalo..

    ang religion. giimbento ra na sa tawo.. pero ang ginoo nag imbento sa tawo.. (maski pa gi agi ta niya sa onggoy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifeforce View Post
    Life is too short not to believe in God. There is a force beyond our material senses.
    if it suddenly rains, do you go to a spiritual shelter or a tangible physical shelter?
    Last edited by grovestreet; 10-30-2009 at 09:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifeforce View Post
    Life is too short not to believe in God. There is a force beyond our material senses.
    there may be a force beyond our material senses. but that doesnt mean you have to ignore the material ones.. coz if you do that, the force will laparo2x u and call you "bogo"...

    example, na trap ka sa baha.. moampo ka nga ginoo luwasa ko.. taod2x naa moabot bangka di ka mosakay kay ang ginoo ra moluwas nimo.. taod2x naa na pud helocopter, di lage kay ginoo ra moluwas nimo.. so na dedz ka.. pag abot nimo sa langit, unsa may iingon sa ginoo nimo? i guess it would be "bogo man diay ka"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    in short, religion is spiritual blackmail.
    its bordering emotional balckmail. the do this OR ELSE approach...and the believe OR ELSE approach too.
    Last edited by munzter666; 10-30-2009 at 10:49 PM.

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    reminds me of the documentary "Jesus Camp".

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    I'm out of this world if i cud imagine,..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    that's a "short-cut" way of viewing life. i ain't surprised. religion itself is a shortcut way of living life. you don't even have proof that there IS a force beyond our material senses. i guess it's true, it's what you call "FAITH"---believing in what you don't see.

    Short cut sir? what do you mean? (politely asking)

    concerning existence of force beyond our material senses.
    - Yes there is sir. Material existence is the crudest phase of the energy emanating from a force so subtle that it cannot be perceive by our human eye. ang hangin man gani maglisod nata ug kita although we can feel it but its material manifestation is invisible from our naked eyes.

    Everything around us is energy. These are the different manifestations of energies: solid, liquid, gas, infrared, ultraviolet, gamma and so on. As it moves forward the manifestation or form of the energy gets more subtle. An accomplished mystic is able to tap these energies.


    I will invite you to view this video sir and then tell me, if thats alright with you, the energy responsible behind the phenomenom.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWeEXkTk0DY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfy2Tn52sxU

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