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  1. #51

    I could not have replied in this blog of yours. Someone informed me from Cebu of your blog, of your evil accusation of Mr. Jose Lagutan. I am a licensed electrical engineer before I became a monk of the chevalier monks of Christ. I am the monk healed by Mr. lagutan from lupus. I could not sleep in the night when I read your blog.

    I will tell a story about Mr. Jose. In the early 90's, he was lecturing on prosperity and higher consciousness in mandarin hotel, Makati. After the break of his lecture, some Filipino-Chinese businessmen approached wanting to bring to Europe and offer Mr. Jose that he will earn millions of dollars outright there as an act of goodwill of these multi-multimillionaire businessmen. He replied, " I must share what I have learned so the can be freed form ignorance, poverty, and superstition. "I am sorry sir i cannot accept your offer". "And the Filipino-Chinese business men were shocked".
    I will tell you another story. This happened only in the year 2000. Again, because of the goodness of the heart of Mr. Jose, and his mastery of Tai Chi Chuan and Chinese Martial arts, he met one of the first Filipino Chinese billionaire of Chinatown who admired, respected and would like M. Jose to be his adopted son and offered a billion pesos to Mr. Jose just for him to manage his business and his ocean liners here in the Philippines, Hongkong and in China. And Mr. Jose answered the same answer to this billionaire. "
    Sorry sir, it's a nice offer but i love m people. if i accept that, it eould be unfair to you, i cannot manage your business at te same time travel in the Philippines lecturing on health benefits of Tai Chi chuan and mysticism."
    You know, the man embraced him and cried, "I wish i had a son like you." abnd this man is still living in Corinthians.
    And even then in Cebu, a very powerful, wealthy political family was offering Mr. Jose back in the early 90's a beach house and money just for Mr. Jose to stay in Cebu and lecture there. Hundreds and thousands he rejected it outright. And Mr. Jose said to these political people, "Let us remain fiends but i cannot accept your offer."
    In total, you are destroying the reputation of a person who can reject a billion pesos because of his love for our people and our country.
    You are a shame for our people. I hope you go to your church and pray. CHANGE. As a monk, I forgive you. I could have been dead now without Mr. Jose Lagutan, But with God, you must ask for his forgiveness.

  2. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by skoilhp View Post
    accusations of your group are members of the Theosophical Society.
    hello sir. i'm a Rosicrucian and a member of the Theosophical Society at the same time. i have friends from both sides of the esoteric schools. it seems a grave implication that you accuse someone from the Society of making these negative comments about OHGRC. i'd like to intervene as to patch things up. because as what i see about this, it's just a simple case of misunderstanding. so, how may i be of service to you sir?

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by skoilhp View Post
    active pa ba ang mga theosophy members sa inyong schools? i have doubts nga mga inactive na ni sila with their doubts of the authenticity of your school.
    by being "active" sir, what do you mean by that? physically joining sunday convocations? or not always being there, but always practicing at the comfort of their own sanctum sanctorum?

  4. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellblazer 2.1 View Post
    hello sir. i'm a Rosicrucian and a member of the Theosophical Society at the same time. i have friends from both sides of the esoteric schools. it seems a grave implication that you accuse someone from the Society of making these negative comments about OHGRC. i'd like to intervene as to patch things up. because as what i see about this, it's just a simple case of misunderstanding. so, how may i be of service to you sir?
    it was just based on my observation upon reading lots of posts. grabe naman gud ang tira sa kani nga group.

  5. #55

    Default RE: Mr. Jose Lagutan

    I have been a member of the Order for almost four years already. I am the type of person that what we call "segurista" and ive never found reason or anything that could question the authenticity of the ORDER. I pity you, and i feel sorry for you. If you only knew what he did for our country, for our people, the things he gave up just so he could come back here, just so he could be with his fellow countrymen. He is one of the few people that has helped our country and is continuing to do so, even if it risks his life, just so you and i and our pinoy brothers and sisters have better living conditions, and maybe even help elevate higher heights and lofty thoughts for our countrymen. I am one of those people he has helped. and im using the things he taught me to help me and my family. and im proud to say it has changed our lives for the better. but no quick remedies i tell you. i worked for it, i applied the techniques he taught me as often as i can, some of it i had to practice everyday. I feel sorry for you, for you do not know who you are dealing with. You do not even personally know the person and yet you accuse him of all those things. Im sad for our country and with this mentality. I ask you have an open mind and verify first before you actually say something, especially in a public and GLOBAL place like this. I resent you for having said that because i myself is one of those people who's lives have changed for the better because of him. And i also forgive you for i know you truly do not know what you are saying. Youre just saying things on a whim, on things based from your friend, who probably heard it from somebody or who has been evicted/kicked out of the Order for reasons you should ask them why. because if you did knew who the person is, you'd be ashamed of yourself. I ask that you talk to him personally. (But i doubt if you have enough grace in this lifetime to meet a person like him),get to know him, ask for his help because you need one, even if you wont admit it. and after that, come back here and see if you can still say if he is what you say he is. And this goes out to all the people who doesnt know him yet, or the order. I invite you formally and see for yourself, you be the judge, and not because somebody said so that it is what is. Do not believe me, you try it our for yourself first. Truth must be seen and experienced first hand by the person. If i tell you that there is a burger out there far better than any fast food chain, you could only nod your head if you havent tasted it. but for those who truly tasted it for themselves, they can truly say, 'Yes, its the best burger', or 'No its not the best burger'. Again dont take my word for it. Try it for yourself. and you be the judge. Again im one of the persons JL has helped, and one of the people who has been inside the ORDER. And im very grateful that my karma in this lifetime has given me this oppurtunity to be a part of the school/order.

  6. #56
    with regards to the many lifetimes of evolution, yes. but didnt you think that there are people who has attained a degree of mastery and could have lightning quick effects over this? but no easy ways i tell you. they have worked for it for hundreds or even thousands of lives, and the time has come that they could have lightning quick evolution? Could it be possible? think about this one...

  7. #57
    I'm the Imperator of the Knights of the Militia Crucifera Evangelica (KMCE) with branches all over the Philippines, US, and Europe; and this has come to my attention.

    I'm a Certified Public Accountant by profession, and as the Imperator of KMCE, I can vouch for the honor of Mr. Jose Lagutan, who is my Master and Guru. At the same time I can vouch for the name and dignity of these illustrious Orders, OHGRC and Vajrayana-these are real schools, and even if we are different Orders, I respect them.

    I know he is an initiate of certain high Masters in India which I have proven and seen for myself. He brought me to India, to the Ramana Ashram. He brought me to a living Master, a woman named Siva Sakthi Ammaiyar in Tiruvannamalai, and my guru Jose Lagutan is her favorite. He's well respected there. He brought me even to the places where Ramalinga Swami, which Helena Blavatsky mentioned in her books and writings, has secret ashrams in South India and there I experienced higher consciousness. Without him I would not have been there.

    Don't you know that my guru, Frater Jose Lagutan, is the first-ever Filipino to ever set foot in the Himalayas, in Nepal, Bhutan, Tibet, and in the sacred places in India? If you can only see him as being the first Filipino ever respected in India, that all ashrams, secret ashrams in India are open to him. I wish I can force him to release all the pictures, but he said "in due time." There are proofs, and someday these proofs will be given to our people, but my Master said it's not yet time, and those pictures will be released in due time.

    Are you not proud that my guru being a Filipino is well-respected in the Himalayan region and in India? You should be proud of him. To be an accuser, to malign a fellow Filipino is unthinkable. You have gravely accused a person of honor and maligned the name and reputation of these Orders. May God bless your souls.

  8. #58
    OT: based on my observation of the posts i've read so far, i don't think one group is accusing another group. one or two individuals seem to dislike mr. jl, is all

    -may love shine through in whatever form it takes-

  9. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by miyay View Post
    OT: based on my observation of the posts i've read so far, i don't think one group is accusing another group. one or two individuals seem to dislike mr. jl, is all

    -may love shine through in whatever form it takes-
    It does seem that way. Unfortunately for those individuals who don't like JL, they don't even know him or met him. PEACE!

  10. #60
    I can't help myself from reacting here.

    I have been a member of OHGRC since 1997 and my friend was a member earlier and is active until now and has even written a book about mysticism and her experiences in the order.

    And so far, we are both happy being a member, until now.

    What I know of MR. JL is that he is a master who would always encourage the students/members not just to believe what he is sharing but to dissect it, research about it and discover the truth on their own. He always teach the members about charity but never, and I say NEVER, impose tithing to the school. It's up to you where to give your tithe as long as you practice charity so you will benefit from it.

    Unlike some groups/religions that always emphasizes tithing to their church/organization, we are free to give or not to give.

    He is our master but he acts just like he is one of us. The informations stated by Buddhist nun, Mutzu Izumi, Rusicrucian, F.R.C. are informations not known to many, (I, myself know all this just now) and he never brags about it, that's humility in the truest sense of the word.

    I just hope that Lovely Charm has a reliable source about the statements she made and better if she has a first hand info or experiences being with Master JL so she is really certain that he is fake. Not info from a bitter friend or expelled member.

    Fraters, Sorors, Namaste! Thanks for the informations and the enlightenments. Let's radiate more peace, wisdom, love and compassion.

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