Why Humans Believe in God

[blacksky]

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a godless nation will not prosper

False argument, I'll leave it to the rest to identify what fallacy this is.

Look at our nation. It isn't totally godless. But does it prosper?

[Pein]

"Sala" is a relative term. From the standpoint of current society, sala is anything detrimental to the "common good" (majority or "the rest" of humanity). However, from the standpoint of someone looking at the universe as a whole entity, it doesn't really matter if someone does something "bad" or "evil"...the mere fact that it actually happens already tells you that there is no stopping anyone from doing anything bad or evil, and that explains why it actually happens.

-RODION

maka stop man ang pagtuo ug Ginoo kung mutuo jud ka niya dili lang kay sa baba ra kutob. kung mutuo jud ka Niya nga mu punish siya sa tawo nga dautan, para sa ako makapugong ang pagtuo sa Ginoo sa pagbuhat ug dautan.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

False rgument, I'll leave it to the rest to identify what fallacy this is.

Look at our nation. It isn't totally godless. But does it prosper?

You are pointing out HYPOCRISY . We may not prosper as a whole being a HYPOCRITE but improve our individual lives being a BELIEVER .

Just look around , it doesnt have to be the majority . All it takes are people who we know best . People who are fullfilled with their respective lives . Financial matters doesnt have to be part of it also because these are earthly things . To improve and prosper is something not seen but felt by an individual .

[rodsky]

kung mutuo jud ka Niya nga mu punish siya sa tawo nga dautan, para sa ako makapugong ang pagtuo sa Ginoo sa pagbuhat ug dautan.

That's the catch... "KUNG motuo ka"...

Statement 1: Killing is bad.

Statement 2: Muslims believe in God (Allah).

Statement 3: Muslims believe in Jihad (Holy war).

Statement 4: In Jihad, it is right to kill people who do not believe in the way Muslims believe in God.

Statement 5: During war, one person kills another person.

Statement 6: According to God, killing another human being is wrong (dautan).

Result? God causes contradiction/paradox in humans, by stating that it's wrong to kill yet allows God-fearing Muslims to kill other human beings, because it is a requirement of "holy war".

Furthermore, crime is still being committed, even by those who motuo, so dili siya makapugong. You and me might be an exception because makapugong man ta, but the argument fails when we consider those nga dili makapugong. Ergo, assuming that when all people believe in God, it will curtail crime, is wrong, because not all people are like you and me.

-RODION

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ RODS ... correct me if im wrong but the Koran contains passages similar to THOU SHALL NOT KILL . They also respect any lifefroms .

Maybe you are talking about JIHAD as a tool to related to TERRORISM . Its not , its a tool to preserve life and religion in respect of the Musim brothers those who wishes to destroy them .

They have to get rid of the " white devil " for the common good of the muslim's .

[Pein]

That's the catch... "KUNG motuo ka"...

Statement 1: Killing is bad.

Statement 2: Muslims believe in God (Allah).

Statement 3: Muslims believe in Jihad (Holy war).

Statement 4: In Jihad, it is right to kill people who do not believe in the way Muslims believe in God.

Statement 5: During war, one person kills another person.

Statement 6: According to God, killing another human being is wrong (dautan).

Result? God causes contradiction/paradox in humans, by stating that it's wrong to kill yet allows God-fearing Muslims to kill other human beings, because it is a requirement of "holy war".

Furthermore, crime is still being committed, even by those who motuo, so dili siya makapugong. You and me might be an exception because makapugong man ta, but the argument fails when we consider those nga dili makapugong. Ergo, assuming that when all people believe in God, it will curtail crime, is wrong, because not all people are like you and me.

-RODION

Muslim mana sila bro dili man ko Muslim. mao manay thinking nila sa ilang ginoo nga sugo daw ni Allah ang mupatay ug unbelievers. sa ilaha nga ginoo dili makapugong ang pagbuhat ug dautan kay mao man daw na ang sugo sa ilang ginoo. dili man ko muslim bro...

[Existanz]

good luck on your endeavor, trip. libre nya ha? i won't attempt to argue but just one solid point in reference to your "Personal experience" argument: if you say you have experienced GOD directly, well, some people have experienced seeing a yellow unicorn, an ugly monster, a looming giant---and that probably doesn't impress you that much.

some criminals heard the voice of Jesus telling them to "kill babies and women", and they got locked up for life. George Bush heard the voice of GOD telling him to "invade IRAQ" and later realized there was no weapons of mass destruction. that's even not to mention the subject of HALLUCINATION---that deserves another thread.

my point is, "experiencing" GOD can be psychological in nature. thanks for your inputs, trip.

This is not experiencing God is all about...perhaps in my case. When I turned to God back again, during those moment there was really no hollywood style effects experience that happen. Only a humbling and peaceful realization that I choose something of great value, that made me overwhelmingly grateful, and at the same time I feel so much sadness that I cried for things I could not remember what at that moment. There I was crying silently on the floor yet for the first time in my life I was utterly peaceful with myself, despite the fact that problems still remain to be resolved in my life.

After that, it seems my world become easy to bear...I find it easier to accept people and all their idiosyncrasy at times, most special your relatives hehe. Every day is like a walk with God...stuck on a traffic I think of God. I faced a grumbling and dishonest clerk in government offices I think of God. Being ripped off by someone, I just shake my head think of God and tell myself watch out next time. Having an inconsiderate boss I think of God and do my job the best I can- the boss acknowledge my efforts the rest is positive from then on. I read and see people dying by the thousands, I think of God and help them as I can...same story again and again in my life.

I can't say I don't get exasperated at times, it still happens- desperation..but nowadays it does not linger much longer and it seems I more inclined to readily accept bad situation when they come wholeheartedly...only when I think of God.

Otherwise, if it can conclusively been proven there is no God, I would gladly push the button that will blow away the world to pieces with much enthusiasm and save the future people who will be born in a pitiful place and at the worst time, suffer a lifetime of shet and die horribly...perhaps that would be the most meaningful thing for me to do if there is no God and life is meaningless.

What else is there left?

[cromagnon]

Statistically speaking, yes. Compared to those who do not believe in a divine being, those who believe in (a) divine being(s) tend to have more worries in life than those who do not, simply because those who believe in the divine has to constantly check if he/she is still doing acts or performing acts within the acceptable norms of that religion he or she belongs in. These constant checks have the potential to build up stress and add worry... i.e. "Hala, nakasala na sad ko sa Ginoo..." andar na dayon ang hyper-acidity, migraine headache due to guilt complex etc. etc. etc.

-RODION

exactly,
whats bawal to a certain religion is fine with the other e.g. polygamy . so its a freedom from a norm of society.

but of course this is only applicable to people who needs less supervision in life.

para sa uban they need a manual . bible - basic instruction by living.

>>>>>>> and again this argument goes on and on...

[Existanz]

you didn’t say anything about not being normal but that was the point you were implying. it’s good that you weren’t pointing it out to me specifically, coz if it was the case, i’d be overjoyed.

Why, you even find it funny after all wasn't it? It was a light banter really...c'mon Chad, I don't need to confirm it to you that its also normal not to believe, as normal as forcing yourself not to piss in the shower floor when you're taking your morning bath..hehehe. This would surely make your day...hehe

[kebotDiNaMute]

What more people misunderstand than understand, fight over than not, strive for than not, create division than unite.

do you think by eliminating religion you can achieve unity? What a foolish ploy! grow up! tell you ho unity in religious terms.

Bhuddist = 1Billion
Muslim = 1.5Billion
Catholic Christian = 1B
Protestant CHristian = 1B
Hindu = 1B

these are just rounded number yet numbers in billions... what about yours? did you achieve any? hmmmm. i wonder if black metal can become a good instrument for unity. tsk tsk tsk!