Kenya witchcraft- another terrifying human act

[jamesmusslewhite]

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my goodness james. You misrepresented my views a thousand fold, tsk tsk...is this your way of passing the guilt? i remember a good story, its in Genesis where Adam blamed Eve and she blamed the Serpent for the sins they committed. tsk tsk...

I have read your post, and you are consistently looking for opportunities to Christian bash. I believe a man should stand on his own two feet and take the blame that is his that he has earned.

The verse I quoted is from the bible and im asking for some good explanation for this verse- Suffer not a witch to live- instead of giving me an explanation, you resorted to bashing Islam, hahaha. Get hold of yourself.

It was God's command to the Jew to dirve out and kill witches which plagued the land of that time. To destroy the evil works of Satan. You know well what they meant before you asked. You are so deceptive in you act of innocence.

let us not talk about Islam okay, james?

And why not, is there not a woman in Saudi Arabia awaiting the death sentence of beheading for being a witch? So what Islam does not kill witches? You just want that part ignored so you can accept your delusion?

you know what james, i can give you list of Christians who had committed terrible sins but i won't do that, why? because im not like you, hiding your sins behind the sins of other people.

Yes and I am sure you will bring them up every chance you get, you seem to revel in the opportunity when ever possible. Yet I showed you just a small list and only scratched the surface of you professed religion, who's history is conversion by war, sword, and threats of death. Evil deeds of men are evil deeds of men and the words of God of words of God.

I am not a Jew and the Old Testament is the law for the Jews. I am a Gentile and live by the New Testament and follow the Christ. I am not guilty of the sins of my religion no more that you are guilty of the sins of your. I am honest to learn, accept, and admit those of my belief. You just want to ignore yours, but spend much effort bashing mine. You are guilty of your own words, not me.

cheap shot there james, try harder.

Just the TRUTH which you want to act in denial. I was responding to your cheap shots.

Stop trying to play the "I am a faithful follower of Islam" act, we both know you are just a poser. I know enough of the history of Islam and have read the Qur'an, and have my doubts you have ever actually read the book or actually understand it's text. You are so dishonest.

[jamesmusslewhite]

sorry double post

[Malic]

Stop trying to play the "I am a faithful follower of Islam" act, we both know you are just a poser. I know enough of the history of Islam and have read the Qur'an, and have my doubts you have ever actually read the book or actually understand it's text. You are so dishonest.

oops you didnt hear me, I said don't try to shift the topic.

focus here-- suffer not a witch to live.

[Malic]

I have read your post, and you are consistently looking for opportunities to Christian bash. I believe a man should stand on his own two feet and take the blame that is his that he has earned.

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It was God's command to the Jew to dirve out and kill witches which plagued the land of that time. To destroy the evil works of Satan. You know well what they meant before you asked. You are so deceptive in you act of innocence.

there you go, It was God's command. tsk tsk...how terrible.

to the jew? hmmm, how quick you are to washed your hands. a man should stand on his own two feet and take the blame that is his that he has earned

And why not, is there not a woman in Saudi Arabia awaiting the death sentence of beheading for being a witch? So what Islam does not kill witches? You just want that part ignored so you can accept your delusion?

because james, Islam is not on trial here in this part of the thread. I know what you are trying to do. keep your cheap shots coming.

Yes and I am sure you will bring them up every chance you get, you seem to revel in the opportunity when ever possible. Yet I showed you just a small list and only scratched the surface of you professed religion, who's history is conversion by war, sword, and threats of death. Evil deeds of men are evil deeds of men and the words of God of words of God.

sorry james but im not affected. try harder.

I am not a Jew and the Old Testament is the law for the Jews. I am a Gentile and live by the New Testament and follow the Christ. I am not guilty of the sins of my religion no more that you are guilty of the sins of your. I am honest to learn, accept, and admit those of my belief. You just want to ignore yours, but spend much effort bashing mine. You are guilty of your own words, not me.

huh? so the law is only for the jew? do you give tithe? if you do, then you are following an old testament law. and now an OT law is being put into question , you want to washed your hands?

Just the TRUTH which you want to act in denial of. I was responding to your cheap shots.

it was not cheap james, it cost you to respond. haha!

[jamesmusslewhite]

oops you didnt hear me, I said don't try to shift the topic.

focus here-- suffer not a witch to live.

I answered that one in my post chief
Exodus 22:18 says, "Suffer not a witch to live." Deuteronomy 18:10 says, "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch."

God is very clear here, he doesn't want witches (or as they call themselves today, 'Wiccans') to live. We are supposed to be killing witches! If we don't, we are disobeying God.

Unlike Bible that prescribes death penalty for idolatry and polytheism (Deuteronomy 17:3-5, 13:6-15; 2 Chronicles 15:13), Qur'an doesn't have any temporal punishment for the same (22:17, 6:107-8, 22:67-69, 17:84, 49:11, 4:4. But they don't like it, and want to kill all the idolaters and polytheists

The local police estimate that there were at least 100 witch killings in Java last year.
Witch Hunts in Java Called a Cover for Murders - The New York Times

Both followers of Christianity and Islam are presently killing witches in the poor uneducated regions of the world. This not religion as much as uneducated people acting ancient fears and superstitions.

I do hear of mobs in the US or the Philippines rounding up all the witches and burning them in the name of God. Jesus never said kill a witch by the way. I know that there are those practicing witchcraft here in Mindanao, and the locals claim they are from the Muslim regions of the southern parts of Mindanao. In Surigao they do not trust the Muslims because of the witchcraft practitioners who have moved here claiming to be Muslims. So those who do not follow Islam who claim of being Muslims have turned the local against the true followers of Islam. Do you see a problem with this?

[jamesmusslewhite]

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1. there you go, It was God's command. tsk tsk...how terrible.

2. to the jew? hmmm, how quick you are to washed your hands. a man should stand on his own two feet and take the blame that is his that he has earned

3. because james, Islam is not on trial here in this part of the thread. I know what you are trying to do. keep your cheap shots coming.

4. sorry james but im not affected. try harder.

5. huh? so the law is only for the jew? do you give tithe? if you do, then you are following an old testament law. and now an OT law is being put into question , you want to washed your hands?

6. it was not cheap james, it cost you to respond. haha!

1.)The Bible verse in question is a direct quote from God, if you chose to remain ignorant than so be it. God and I are not on trial here, and you are nobody worthy enough to try to judge God or me. You are not even a true follower of Islam, so that makes you a bigot and a hypocrite. You have too many blasphemes according to the Qur'an on this forum to be acting so self righteous.

2.)That is the history of the Old Testament. I am sorry that you are ignorant of this. I am sure you are ignorant on a lot of things about religions. In maybe 30 years you will actually be as clever on the subject as you pretend to be. First you have a little honesty issue to deal with first, and when you can self-reflect on the topic of Islam. then I am sure you will get a handle on it.

3.) Nor is this a trial of Christianity either even though you think it is, and nice dodge to ignore the history and evidence of similar actions taken by followers your own belief. Very honest of you, shows your desire to remain a bigot and a hypocrite. I have learn to expect nothing better from you, and as usual you have not disappointed. I have learned your limitations in your ability to communicate honestly.

4.) No you wish to remain naive and be evasive, so you are really unworthy to spend much more time, That is the difference between being a man and a boy trying to act as a man. I will not waste my time on someone who chooses to remain intellectually dishonest.

5.)The Old Testament was for the Jew over 2,000 years before the birth of Christ, Jesus is the law for the Gentile (non-Jews) so I not being Jewish are not bound by the Jewish covenants of the Old Testament. If you were half as clever and well read as you pretend to be, then you would know this already. I am tired of arguing the Bible and Qur'an with a boy who has not actually read either book.

6.) The truth is still not a cheap shot. Sometimes the truth just hurts.

I accept the sins committed by evil men who claim to have been Christians. Just do not act so righteous, and not equaly face the sins of those evil men professing to be good members of Islam. Be fair and balanced and not hypocritical, because I know you are a better man than that.

Remember, "Those living in glass house, should cast no stones."

Oops, I guess I was wrong. I guess I just had too much faith in you, Sorry

[Malic]

1.)The Bible verse in question is a direct quote from God, if you chose to remain ignorant than so be it. God and I are not on trial here, and you are nobody worthy enough to try to judge God or me. You are not even a true follower of Islam, so that makes you a bigot and a hypocrite. You have too many blasphemes according to the Qur'an on this forum to be acting so self righteous.

2.)That is the history of the Old Testament. I am sorry that you are ignorant of this. I am sure you are ignorant on a lot of things about religions. In maybe 30 years you will actually be as clever on the subject as you pretend to be. First you have a little honesty issue to deal with first, and when you can self-reflect on the topic of Islam. then I am sure you will get a handle on it.

3.) Nor is this a trial of Christianity either even though you think it is, and nice dodge to ignore the history and evidence of similar actions taken by followers your own belief. Very honest of you, shows your desire to remain a bigot and a hypocrite. I have learn to expect nothing better from you, and as usual you have not disappointed. I have learned your limitations in your ability to communicate honestly.

4.) No you wish to remain naive and be evasive, so you are really unworthy to spend much more time, That is the difference between being a man and a boy trying to act as a man. I will not waste my time on someone who chooses to remain intellectually dishonest.

5.)The Old Testament was for the Jew over 2,000 years before the birth of Christ, Jesus is the law for the Gentile (non-Jews) so I not being Jewish are not bound by the Jewish covenants of the Old Testament. If you were half as clever and well read as you pretend to be, then you would know this already. I am tired of arguing the Bible and Qur'an with a boy who has not actually read either book.

6.) The truth is still not a cheap shot. Sometimes the truth just hurts.


Oops, I guess I was wrong. I guess I just had too much faith in you, Sorry

1) the verse james the verse is being questioned, your brain is firing everywhere, keep it focus. i am not a true follower of Islam and I am hypocrite and blah blah blah...what are you trying to do james? hurt me, ahaha. cheap shot james and its not working. try harder. and oh by the way I have all the right to judge any verse in the bible. your "the bible is infallible" theory, does not work for me. sorry james, i don't believe it.

2) Islam again? another cheap shot? I told you to focus. Give it straight like a man. don't hide behind Islam. face the question and answer it.

3) spare me from your side comments and just focus on the issue okay? Usually people when run out of answers they always do side comments. like what you are doing here, you keep coming like this hoping that i will stop. try harder.

4) tsk tsk...i don't know what you are talking about. who is that guy james? usually when people run out of defensive options they always resort to side comments. try harder, its not working.

5) haha, oops, you didnt answer my question, all i hear are side comments. come on james you can do better than that. do you tithe? if you do then you are following an old testament law and it means that you are still bound by its scope. The God who ordered the Jews not to suffer a witch to live is the same God that you worship james, hehe and now you want to washed your hands? uh uh. see the deception here james? you choose what you think is convenient for you.

6) yeah it hurts james it hurts. its obvious you don't need to say that, its all painted in your side comments against me. its okay james no need for revenge.

[jamesmusslewhite]

1) the verse james the verse is being questioned, your brain is firing everywhere, keep it focus. i am not a true follower of Islam and I am hypocrite and blah blah blah...what are you trying to do james? hurt me, ahaha. cheap shot james and its not working. try harder. and oh by the way I have all the right to judge any verse in the bible. your "the bible is infallible" theory, does not work for me. sorry james, i don't believe it.

2) Islam again? another cheap shot? I told you to focus. Give it straight like a man. don't hide behind Islam. face the question and answer it.

3) spare me from your side comments and just focus on the issue okay? Usually people when run out of answers they always do side comments. like what you are doing here, you keep coming like this hoping that i will stop. try harder.

4) tsk tsk...i don't know what you are talking about. who is that guy james? usually when people run out of defensive options they always resort to side comments. try harder, its not working.

5) haha, oops, you didnt answer my question, all i hear are side comments. come on james you can do better than that. do you tithe? if you do then you are following an old testament law and it means that you are still bound by its scope. The God who ordered the Jews not to suffer a witch to live is the same God that you worship james, hehe and now you want to washed your hands? uh uh. see the deception here james? you choose what you think is convenient for you.

6) yeah it hurts james it hurts. its obvious you don't need to say that, its all painted in your side comments against me. its okay james no need for revenge.

In Post #105 I answered your question about the verse, as plainly and honestly as humanly possible. If you did not read it since it was directed directly to you please do so. I will only answer a question once.

The topic here is not the verse. The topic here is about witches being killed by Africans in a country that is 80% Christian. There is no mention in the article that this act was even committed by Christians, and since 20% of the country is non Christian. Then there is a good chance that the people that committed this murder were not all Christians, or even were Christians. This was a bias you and some other members decided to add to the forum, as you began to start your own witch-hunt on Christianity.

I only wanted to point out that witches are being killed in Islamic countries too, but you continue to choose not to acknowledge that fact in you self induced Christian witch-hunt. it is as if 100 Witches killed in Africa is horrible if done be Christians, and 100 Witches killed in Indonesia by Muslims is good and does not even deserve discussion.

I do not look at it as a crime of religion, rather the ignorance of evil men. The Christians may have used a passage out of the Old Testament to justify their reasoning.

Which brings up the point I was trying to make. If the killing in Indonesia is not backed by passages in the Qur'an than what is the justification for their reasoning? You logic seems to be that witches killed in Africa is the act of an Evil Religion, and not the sole acts of evil men. That the deaths in Indonesia is to be ignored and the men nor the Religion is responsible for an act of evil. In fact the topic should be just ignored. I must be evil, Africans Christians must be evil, Muslims can do no evil, Islam can do no evils, and you are a Saint who has the right to judge men and religions.

That makes you a very dangerous man, who should never be confused as being an honest intellectual. That is why I said that you were a bigot and a hypocrite who is intellectually dishonest. I do not blame that on your loose following of Islam, rather only of your own self-made limitations. You are dishonest young man, you can lie to yourself all you want, but you are only fooling yourself. Your words and views have exposed that fact, and one only needs to read your post to verify that truth.

[Malic]

In Post #105 I answered your question about the verse, as plainly and honestly as humanly possible. If you did not read it since it was directed directly to you please do so. I will only answer a question once.

the verse? oh yes, you proudly pronounced it that God commanded the jews(ehem, this is the same God you worship) to kill the witches. BUT there was a follow up question since you want to suggest that the law is no longer applicable for it is in the Old Testament, so i asked you a question-do you tithe? where's my answer? if you do then you are following an old testament law. hmm, so the OT law is not as obesolete as you want us to think.

The topic here is not the verse. The topic here is about witches being killed by Africans in a country that is 80% Christian. There is no mention in the article that this act was even committed by Christians, and since 20% of the country is non Christian. Then there is a good chance that the people that committed this murder were not all Christians, or even were Christians. This was a bias you and some other members decided to add to the forum, as you began to start your own witch-hunt on Christianity.

yes that's the topic and i mentioned a verse asking for explanation and, guess what you guys did? you started bashing Islam,hahaha.

I only wanted to point out that witches are being killed in Islamic countries too, but you continue to choose not to acknowledge that fact in you self induced Christian witch-hunt. it is as if 100 Witches killed in Africa is horrible if done be Christians, and 100 Witches killed in Indonesia by Muslims is good and does not even deserve discussion.

and you mentioned it because you wanted to divert the topic, haha, and not only that you also want to put islam in the bad light because you think that by doing so you can get a leverage, what a cheap shot, haha.

I do not look at it as a crime of religion, rather the ignorance of evil men. The Christians may have used a passage out of the Old Testament to justify their reasoning.

you know what, its not the fault of the Christians, they are commanded by the infallible word of god to suffer not a witch to live, what can they do but to follow the law, they will kill the enemy of God w/c is witchcraft. haha.

Which brings up the point I was trying to make. If the killing in Indonesia is not backed by passages in the Qur'an than what is the justification for their reasoning? You logic seems to be that witches killed in Africa is the act of an Evil Religion, and not the sole acts of evil men. That the deaths in Indonesia is to be ignored and the men nor the Religion is responsible for an act of evil. In fact the topic should be just ignored. I must be evil, Africans Christians must be evil, Muslims can do no evil, Islam can do no evils, and you are a Saint who has the right to judge men and religions.

oh pls pls...you are dragging the issue farther, "suffer not a witch to live" why? its a command from God was your answer. so if its God that is calling the shot here then why blame muslims? so if its a christian who kills witch, you have no problem? but if its muslims killing a witch, its a big deal? haha.

take a look at your answer, your explanation on the verse looks too little but your frustration on Islam killing witches, its quite longer. why is that? haha.

That makes you a very dangerous man, who should never be confused as being an honest intellectual. That is why I said that you were a bigot and a hypocrite who is intellectually dishonest. I do not blame that on your loose following of Islam, rather only of your own self-made limitations. You are dishonest young man, you can lie to yourself all you want, but you are only fooling yourself. Your words and views have exposed that fact, and one only needs to read your post to verify that truth.

i don't know who that person you are refering to, don't create something that is not there. and again, side comment is a symptom of frustration.

sorry james, its not really working, try harder again.

[jamesmusslewhite]

the verse? oh yes, you proudly pronounced it that God commanded the jews(ehem, this is the same God you worship) to kill the witches. BUT there was a follow up question since you want to suggest that the law is no longer applicable for it is in the Old Testament, so i asked you a question-do you tithe? where's my answer? if you do then you are following an old testament law. hmm, so the OT law is not as obesolete as you want us to think.



yes that's the topic and i mentioned a verse asking for explanation and, guess what you guys did? you started bashing Islam,hahaha.



and you mentioned it because you wanted to divert the topic, haha, and not only that you also want to put islam in the bad light because you think that by doing so you can get a leverage, what a cheap shot, haha.



you know what, its not the fault of the Christians, they are commanded by the infallible word of god to suffer not a witch to live, what can they do but to follow the law, they will kill the enemy of God w/c is witchcraft. haha.



oh pls pls...you are dragging the issue farther, "suffer not a witch to live" why? its a command from God was your answer. so if its God that is calling the shot here then why blame muslims? so if its a christian who kills witch, you have no problem? but if its muslims killing a witch, its a big deal? haha.

take a look at your answer, your explanation on the verse looks too little but your frustration on Islam killing witches, its quite longer. why is that? haha.



i don't know who that person you are refering to, don't create something that is not there. and again, side comment is a symptom of frustration.

sorry james, its not really working, try harder again.

I understand now that you are not well versed in the history and backgrounds of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I do not know if it is your fault due to being a poor scholar, or if you are a product of a poor access to educational resources. And from our discussions you have shown the inability to discuss actual facts, probably because of your refusal to read on the subjects. You will not answer questions with facts, You choose to answer questions with more questions, or only resort to misdirection as a way of avoiding answering the questions.

I personally believe you are not that ignorant, rather you only choose to play silly games instead of exchanging in intelligent dialog. The only one that I have had dialog about Islam on this forum is you and only on a couple of of your post. You have hundreds of negative comments on Christianity in these forum topics. I asked you direct questions on Islamic facts, because you claim that you are a true and practicing Muslim, and I am bashing Islam?

I would rather argue with a cinder block, because I believe I would get a more intelligent dialog from a stone.