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  1. #1271

    Quote Originally Posted by bluedes View Post
    i can understand what you're doing.. but creationists who respond like that make a bad name for creationists in general. i like to share what i learned too but people like that are incorrigible.. there's no sharing of ideas to better each other's point of view, but not necessarily crushing the other's point of view.. you keep on exchanging *tones* with those types, you end up getting sucked into their blackhole inside their *so-called-faith*..

    he's not looking to understand.. he's looking to destroy.. its as simple as it goes.. its nihilistic..
    he's not looking to understand.. he's looking to destroy.. its as simple as it goes.. its nihilistic..
    --- looking to understand might be a sympathy in form. I will not give you this.
    --- understand in scientific terms... hmmm.. theres not much i can boast, but evidence does not support the claims... how come? every aspect of evolution remains questionable...

    ang maka tubag ani, naay standing offer 125M USD. PST lang nako para magkuyog ta... mangayo ko bahin....
    Questions for Evolutionists

    Written by: Walt Brown

    The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning, but misguided, people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man’s questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory—it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science. The following questions were distributed to the 750-plus people who attended my debate at Winona State University in Winona, Minnesota, on January 9, 1993. (The videotaped debate is #6, $9.95.) Questions added since the debate remarked with an asterisk (*).

    1. Where did the space for the universe come from?
    2. Where did matter come from?
    3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
    4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?
    5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
    6. When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?
    7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
    8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
    9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
    10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
    11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?
    12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?
    13. When, where, why, and how did:
      • Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)
      • Single-celled animals evolve?
      • Fish change to amphibians?
      • Amphibians change to reptiles
      • Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)
      • How did the intermediate forms live?

    14. When, where, why, how, and from what did:
      • Whales evolve?
      • Sea horses evolve?
      • Bats evolve?
      • Eyes evolve?
      • Ears evolve?
      • Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

    15. Which evolved first (how, and how long; did it work without the others)?
      • The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?
      • The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
      • The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
      • DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
      • The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?
      • The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
      • The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
      • The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
      • The immune system or the need for it? 16.There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?

    16. How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?
    17. When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.
    18. *How did photosynthesis evolve?
    19. *How did thought evolve?
    20. *How did flowering plants evolve, and from that?
    21. *What kind of evolutionist are you? Why are you not one of the other eight or ten kinds?
    22. What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?
    23. *Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?
    24. *What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen as becoming human?
    25. *Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?
      After you have answered the preceding questions, please look carefully at your answers and thoughtfully consider the following questions.
    26. Are you sure your answers are reasonable, right, and scientifically provable, or do you just believe that it may have happened the way you have answered? (Do these answers reflect your religion or your science?)
    27. Do your answers show more or less faith than the person who says, "God must have designed it"?
    28. Is it possible that an unseen Creator designed this universe? If God is excluded at the beginning of the discussion by your definition of science, how could it be shown that He did create the universe if He did?
    29. Is it wise and fair to present the theory of evolution to students as fact?
    30. What is the end result of a belief in evolution (lifestyle, society, attitude about others, eternal destiny, etc.)?

    hala hinay-hinay mo lista sa nu mga tubag... bantay mo sa question kay WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and the most scientific HOW. hala, go mga evolutionist...

  2. #1272
    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    this again *facepalm*


    polyploidy, retro viral insertions, gene duplication errors
    etc etc


    read up dodong
    oi hellow ignore list.. how are you... ok...

    polyploidy
    --- The vast majority of triploid conceptions end as miscarriage and those that do survive to term typically die shortly after birth. In some cases survival past birth may occur longer if there is mixoploidy with both a diploid and a triploid cell population present. So for those who survive they become new specie? hmmmm... ka alegre...
    Polyploidy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    What you have here smak is a possibility that triggers your evolution... well everything is possible. So can we conclude because there are error in gene duplication there has been a convincing opportunity for evolution to take place? hmmm. most of them are harmful evolution, beneficial when it adapts to environment, natural selection, or producing its own kind. So where the room for your frog becomes prince?

    more! try again...

    by the way those who survived, did they prove to be superior than its own kind? hmm i want to see that on a scratch paper thrown out in the dust bin.


    read up dodong
    --- am i reading a wrong article? hmmmm.
    Last edited by kebotDiNaMute; 10-13-2009 at 12:29 PM.

  3. #1273
    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    he's not looking to understand.. he's looking to destroy.. its as simple as it goes.. its nihilistic..
    --- looking to understand might be a sympathy in form. I will not give you this.
    --- understand in scientific terms... hmmm.. theres not much i can boast, but evidence does not support the claims... how come? every aspect of evolution remains questionable...

    ang maka tubag ani, naay standing offer 125M USD. PST lang nako para magkuyog ta... mangayo ko bahin....
    Questions for Evolutionists

    Written by: Walt Brown

    The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning, but misguided, people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man’s questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory—it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science. The following questions were distributed to the 750-plus people who attended my debate at Winona State University in Winona, Minnesota, on January 9, 1993. (The videotaped debate is #6, $9.95.) Questions added since the debate remarked with an asterisk (*).

    1. Where did the space for the universe come from?
    2. Where did matter come from?
    3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
    4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?
    5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
    6. When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?
    7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
    8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
    9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
    10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
    11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?
    12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?
    13. When, where, why, and how did:
      • Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)
      • Single-celled animals evolve?
      • Fish change to amphibians?
      • Amphibians change to reptiles
      • Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)
      • How did the intermediate forms live?

    14. When, where, why, how, and from what did:
      • Whales evolve?
      • Sea horses evolve?
      • Bats evolve?
      • Eyes evolve?
      • Ears evolve?
      • Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

    15. Which evolved first (how, and how long; did it work without the others)?
      • The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?
      • The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
      • The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
      • DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
      • The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?
      • The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
      • The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
      • The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
      • The immune system or the need for it? 16.There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?

    16. How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?
    17. When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.
    18. *How did photosynthesis evolve?
    19. *How did thought evolve?
    20. *How did flowering plants evolve, and from that?
    21. *What kind of evolutionist are you? Why are you not one of the other eight or ten kinds?
    22. What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?
    23. *Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?
    24. *What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen as becoming human?
    25. *Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?
      After you have answered the preceding questions, please look carefully at your answers and thoughtfully consider the following questions.
    26. Are you sure your answers are reasonable, right, and scientifically provable, or do you just believe that it may have happened the way you have answered? (Do these answers reflect your religion or your science?)
    27. Do your answers show more or less faith than the person who says, "God must have designed it"?
    28. Is it possible that an unseen Creator designed this universe? If God is excluded at the beginning of the discussion by your definition of science, how could it be shown that He did create the universe if He did?
    29. Is it wise and fair to present the theory of evolution to students as fact?
    30. What is the end result of a belief in evolution (lifestyle, society, attitude about others, eternal destiny, etc.)?

    hala hinay-hinay mo lista sa nu mga tubag... bantay mo sa question kay WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and the most scientific HOW. hala, go mga evolutionist...
    kinsa imo kastorya kebz? wa man ko ni-reply nimo, si trip man akong gi-replyan, ngano respond man ka sa akong post??

  4. #1274
    Evolution is present now as were then even I am undergoing evolution.

  5. #1275
    Quote Originally Posted by brownprose View Post
    The genome reveals, indisputably and beyond any serious doubt, that Darwin was right — mankind evolved over a long period of time from primitive ancestors. Our genes show that scientific creationism cannot be true. The response to all those who thump their bible [sic] and say there is no proof, no test and no evidence in support of evolution is, ‘The proof is right here, in our genes.” Source: Arthur Caplan, a professor of bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, “Darwin vindicated!”

    Notes about Caplan. Caplan is the recipient of many awards and honors including the McGovern Medal of the American Medical Writers Association and the Franklin Award from the City of Philadelphia. He was a person of the Year 2001 from USA Today, one of the fifty most influential people in American health care by Modern Health Care magazine, one of the ten most influential people in America in biotechnology by the National Journal and one of the ten most influential people in the ethics of biotechnology by the editors of Nature Biotechnology.He holds seven honorary degrees from colleges and medical schools. Discover magazine in December, 2008 named him one of the ten most influential people in science.

    Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things. ~ Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., is the director of the Human Genome Project.

    Other notes about Collins: Francis Collins was recently appointed by President Obama as the 16th Director of the National Institutes of Health. Collins' accomplishments have been recognized by numerous awards and honors, including election to the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences. He also received the Presidential Medal of Freedom and was a Kilby International Awards recipient in 1993.

    Science has already declared it [evolution] to be a fact beyond any reasonable doubt
    karon pa ko. naa man diay ko katropa dire i like this article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    he's not looking to understand.. he's looking to destroy.. its as simple as it goes.. its nihilistic..
    --- looking to understand might be a sympathy in form. I will not give you this.
    --- understand in scientific terms... hmmm.. theres not much i can boast, but evidence does not support the claims... how come? every aspect of evolution remains questionable...

    ang maka tubag ani, naay standing offer 125M USD. PST lang nako para magkuyog ta... mangayo ko bahin....
    Questions for Evolutionists

    Written by: Walt Brown

    The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning, but misguided, people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man’s questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory—it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science. The following questions were distributed to the 750-plus people who attended my debate at Winona State University in Winona, Minnesota, on January 9, 1993. (The videotaped debate is #6, $9.95.) Questions added since the debate remarked with an asterisk (*).

    1. Where did the space for the universe come from?
    2. Where did matter come from?
    3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
    4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?
    5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
    6. When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?
    7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
    8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
    9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
    10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
    11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?
    12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?
    13. When, where, why, and how did:
      • Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)
      • Single-celled animals evolve?
      • Fish change to amphibians?
      • Amphibians change to reptiles
      • Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)
      • How did the intermediate forms live?

    14. When, where, why, how, and from what did:
      • Whales evolve?
      • Sea horses evolve?
      • Bats evolve?
      • Eyes evolve?
      • Ears evolve?
      • Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

    15. Which evolved first (how, and how long; did it work without the others)?
      • The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?
      • The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
      • The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
      • DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
      • The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?
      • The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
      • The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
      • The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
      • The immune system or the need for it? 16.There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?

    16. How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?
    17. When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.
    18. *How did photosynthesis evolve?
    19. *How did thought evolve?
    20. *How did flowering plants evolve, and from that?
    21. *What kind of evolutionist are you? Why are you not one of the other eight or ten kinds?
    22. What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?
    23. *Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?
    24. *What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen as becoming human?
    25. *Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?
      After you have answered the preceding questions, please look carefully at your answers and thoughtfully consider the following questions.
    26. Are you sure your answers are reasonable, right, and scientifically provable, or do you just believe that it may have happened the way you have answered? (Do these answers reflect your religion or your science?)
    27. Do your answers show more or less faith than the person who says, "God must have designed it"?
    28. Is it possible that an unseen Creator designed this universe? If God is excluded at the beginning of the discussion by your definition of science, how could it be shown that He did create the universe if He did?
    29. Is it wise and fair to present the theory of evolution to students as fact?
    30. What is the end result of a belief in evolution (lifestyle, society, attitude about others, eternal destiny, etc.)?

    hala hinay-hinay mo lista sa nu mga tubag... bantay mo sa question kay WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and the most scientific HOW. hala, go mga evolutionist...
    This guy is still in dreamland. The Scientific Communities have already spoken. Evolution is a FACT.

    in other words, these arguments or should i say questions formulated by Dr.Brown is irrelevant as far as the Scientific communities are concerned.
    Last edited by Malic; 10-13-2009 at 01:01 PM.

  7. #1277
    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    he's not looking to understand.. he's looking to destroy.. its as simple as it goes.. its nihilistic..
    --- looking to understand might be a sympathy in form. I will not give you this.
    --- understand in scientific terms... hmmm.. theres not much i can boast, but evidence does not support the claims... how come? every aspect of evolution remains questionable...

    ang maka tubag ani, naay standing offer 125M USD. PST lang nako para magkuyog ta... mangayo ko bahin....
    Questions for Evolutionists

    Written by: Walt Brown

    The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning, but misguided, people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man’s questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory—it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science. The following questions were distributed to the 750-plus people who attended my debate at Winona State University in Winona, Minnesota, on January 9, 1993. (The videotaped debate is #6, $9.95.) Questions added since the debate remarked with an asterisk (*).

    1. Where did the space for the universe come from?
    2. Where did matter come from?
    3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
    4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?
    5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
    6. When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?
    7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
    8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
    9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
    10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
    11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?
    12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?
    13. When, where, why, and how did:
      • Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)
      • Single-celled animals evolve?
      • Fish change to amphibians?
      • Amphibians change to reptiles
      • Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)
      • How did the intermediate forms live?

    14. When, where, why, how, and from what did:
      • Whales evolve?
      • Sea horses evolve?
      • Bats evolve?
      • Eyes evolve?
      • Ears evolve?
      • Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

    15. Which evolved first (how, and how long; did it work without the others)?
      • The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?
      • The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
      • The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
      • DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
      • The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?
      • The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
      • The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
      • The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
      • The immune system or the need for it? 16.There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?

    16. How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?
    17. When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.
    18. *How did photosynthesis evolve?
    19. *How did thought evolve?
    20. *How did flowering plants evolve, and from that?
    21. *What kind of evolutionist are you? Why are you not one of the other eight or ten kinds?
    22. What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?
    23. *Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?
    24. *What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen as becoming human?
    25. *Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?
      After you have answered the preceding questions, please look carefully at your answers and thoughtfully consider the following questions.
    26. Are you sure your answers are reasonable, right, and scientifically provable, or do you just believe that it may have happened the way you have answered? (Do these answers reflect your religion or your science?)
    27. Do your answers show more or less faith than the person who says, "God must have designed it"?
    28. Is it possible that an unseen Creator designed this universe? If God is excluded at the beginning of the discussion by your definition of science, how could it be shown that He did create the universe if He did?
    29. Is it wise and fair to present the theory of evolution to students as fact?
    30. What is the end result of a belief in evolution (lifestyle, society, attitude about others, eternal destiny, etc.)?

    hala hinay-hinay mo lista sa nu mga tubag... bantay mo sa question kay WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and the most scientific HOW. hala, go mga evolutionist...
    hahaha... kaubo... sarcasm will not do you good.... pag "evolution + wiki" namog sugod... its time to slap bums chad!!!

  8. #1278
    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    This guy is still in dreamland. The scientific Communities have already spoken. Evolution is a FACT.

    in other words, these arguments or should i say questions formulated by Dr.Brown is irrelevant as far as the Scientific communities are concerned.
    how about sa muslim? evolution napud ang inyong gituuhan?

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    basaha kebs o para mahimasmasan ka...

    Walt Brown

    Walt brown refuses to debate.

  10. #1280
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    how about sa muslim? evolution napud ang inyong gituuhan?
    ngano man diay ug motu-o ug evolution part? unsay problema nimo?

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