Legalize Abortion?

[giddyboy]

They ALREADY have access to it. Condoms can be bought everywhere. The info is all over the internet and in the propaganda leaflets of the pro-RH fanatics. What Filipinos need is good governance and moral leadership. They don't need contraceptives that will only make their problems worse. You are out of touch with reality.

again and again, i already said that the poor are the ones that has lack or no access to family planning methods, services, and information thereof. they don't have internet. family planning is not all about condoms or contraceptives. it is also about responsible parenthood and birth spacing.

again and again, 6 out of 10 Pinoys favor the RH Bill (per Pulse Asia). it was also cited that 90% of Pinoy Catholics favor the use of artificial contraceptives. 130 out of 200+ legislators are in support of the RH Bill.

meaning, it is the church and pro-life groups that are out of touch w/ reality. kumbaga tungod na sa tunnel vision, mao na.

Telling the truth is not a scare tactic. And it's a lot better than the SMEAR CAMPAIGN against the Church being conducted by pro-RH fanatics.

I don't even see it as the truth. smear campaign? is it the pot calling the kettle black? haven't u read the demise of Noynoy, Gibo, Pia, Chiz? dili na smear campaign against nila? all because they support the RH Bill.

Now THAT is a scare tactic! And you complain about such things? What a hypocrite!

Another scare tactic the pro-RH fanatics use is citing figures about maternal mortality and then pretending that contraceptives will lessen it. What they don't tell you is that the real cause of high maternal mortality is lack of obstetric facilities and trained attendants. The RH/Abortion Bill -- which will flood the health centers with useless artificial/abortifacient contraceptives -- will NOT address this need.

well, don't try to twist it. i am not complaining. i am just saying that old technique doesn't work anymore. and citing figures about maternal and infant mortality is a scare tactic alright but it is truthful. it is glaring statistics for cryin out loud and needs to be acted sooner not later. it also does not mean the RH Bill can lessen it thru contraceptives. didn't u read what i said? it is thru family planning methods, SERVICES (and that includes your ob/gyn facilities and trained attendants), and information thereof.

how about yours? isn't yours a scare tactic by equating unjustifiably and misleadingly the RH Bill as an abortion bill? isn't yours making a misleading poll question, a damned if you do damned if you don't question?

The RH/Abortion Bill ignores the real causes of maternal death while wasting resources on a non-problem. It is as if the pro-RH movement and the authors of the bill are intent on treating pregnancy as a disease (which it is not).

There are many other preventable and treatable diseases for which the poor cannot afford medicines. These include heart and vascular diseases, pneumonia, tuberculosis, cancer, and diabetes. But the RH/Abortion Bill wastes the people's money on contraceptives which do not treat any real disease (since pregnancy is not a disease),

i do not see why that reasoning is better than FVR, Lea Salonga, Chiz, Gibo, Noynoy, etc who support the RH Bill...

btw, we are talking about Reproductive health, not diseases. Medicine for diseases have their own strategies. Cheaper medicine Act for example.

anyways, better i try to avoid you on this forum. to each his own kumbaga. u post yours, i post mine w/o bumping to each other, pwede? it seems u r oblivious that many r not agreeing here w/ ur style. style raba nimo padung personal attack.

NO to Abortion!
YES to the Reproductive Health Bill!
We are the last and only predominantly Catholic country on earth that has no RH Bill yet to speak of...TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

[moving]

But they NO LONGER have any thoughts. So what's the difference? All dead people were also capable of thought in the past. Are they now living? Your logic is absurd.

The bottom line is that there is no logical or scientific reason for denying that the unborn are living human beings.

existing processing thought human beings does not equal "no longer have any thought". indvidual rights cease to exist when one is dead. As I said rights are freedom guaranteed sa usa ka existing human being arun siya mo survive sulod sa usa ka social context.

Your bottom line is not everybody's bottom line. access to food, water, sanitation, etc ang bottom line sa uban.

So you are STILL CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. There IS something wrong with s3x between consenting adults in such a case. Your claim that s3x between consenting adults is NEVER wrong is therefore FALSE.

hello, please read the whole sentence. There is nothing wrong with s3x between two consenting adults. I never said that naay porblema ang sexual relationships. my statement "kung ingon ana ang sitwasyon naay porblema ang relasyon" meant that naay problema ang relationship sa duha ka spouses mao nang naay adultery. In the first place kung maayo ang dagan sa relationship walay adultery. Better get to the root of the problem sa spousal relationship. S3x is not the problem here.

Here is my actual text:
see, so dili ang s3x ang problema. ang pag relate diay sa usag-usa sa spouses. kung ingon ana ang sitwasyon naay porblema ang relasyon. better find out the root of the problem sa relationship. besides whose reality you talking about here? urban poor reality? istorya.net reality? patriarchal church reality?

[mannyamador]

Your bottom line is not everybody's bottom line. access to food, water, sanitation, etc ang bottom line sa uban.

Then the best you can say is that the issue is UNRESOLVED. In which case, the rational thing to do -- given the grave stakes at hand (innocent human life) -- isto take the SAFER APPROACH and avoid doing something that may destroy innocent human life.

You do not demolish a building until you are sure no one is in it. If you cannot be sure it is safe to continue with the demolition, then you should not demolish the building. To do so would be totally IRRESPONSIBLE. The same logic applies to abortion.

hello, please read the whole sentence. There is nothing wrong with s3x between two consenting adults.

Two adults committing adultery is still s3x between two consenting adults. Therefore your claim that such is NEVER wrong is FALSE.

There may be a problem with their marital relationships, but that does not make adultery right. Your claim is still wrong. Simple logic. There ARE cases where s3x between consenting adults IS wrong.


PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS AND THOSE OF THE UNBORN.
REJECT THE COERCIVE RH/ABORTION BILL (HB 5043)
Please sign the online petition AGAINST the RH/Abortion Bill (HB5043)
http://www.petitiononline.com/xxhb5043/

[mannyamador]

The hidden agenda behind "reproductive health"...

Fifteen Years After Cairo Population Conference, UN Still Promoting Abortions
by Samantha Singson - October 9, 2009
http://www.lifenews.com/int1347.html

New York, NY (LifeNews.com) -- Next week, the UN General Assembly will hold a high-level meeting for the 15th anniversary of International Conference on Population and Development (ICPD).

While some have used the anniversary to try and assess progress towards realizing the ICPD Program of Action, the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) and pro-abortion non-government organizations (NGOs) have sought to use the review process to expand the ICPD understanding of "reproductive health" and its related terms to include abortion.

All the more reason to REJECT the RH/Abortion Bill.

Please sign the online petition AGAINST the Reproductive Health/Abortion Bill (HB5043)
http://www.petitiononline.com/xxhb5043/

[mannyamador]

again and again, i already said that the poor are the ones that has lack or no access to family planning methods, services, and information thereof.

They also do not have access to medicines and information for treating real killer diseases. Why should the government WASTE scarce funds for contraceptives that do NOT cure any disease instead of spending it on medicines that DO cure diseases? Your priorities are totally out of touch with reality.

6 out of 10 Pinoys favor the RH Bill (per Pulse Asia)

Still citing manufactured surveys with questions that introduce bias? That no longer fools anyone, you know.

I don't even see it as the truth.

I am not surprised. You have along history of denying the truth, as your repeated use of deceptive tactics illustrates.

and citing figures about maternal and infant mortality is a scare tactic alright but it is truthful...

it also does not mean the RH Bill can lessen it thru contraceptives. didn't u read what i said? it is thru family planning methods, SERVICES (and that includes your ob/gyn facilities and trained attendants), and information thereof.

That is totally UNTRUE.. As has been pointed out before, the RH/Abortion Bill does NOT provide funding or institutional support for obstetric health facilities and trained personnel.

This lack of support was pointed out in the "Open Letter of International Catholic Educators to the 14 Ateneo Professors"
(Open Letter of International Catholic Educators to the 14 Ateneo Professors | The Varsitarian). First, they cite Sections 6 and 7 which SHOULD have been good if they had the proper funding and support:

"Finally, it must be emphasized that there are two sections in the
bill that should be applauded and expanded. Both Section 6 and
Section 7 call for the expansion of midwives and birth attendants,
as well as greater access to obstetric care. Such measures are
critical to reducing maternal mortality and making progress
toward the Millennium Development Goals, particularly MDG 5
(maternal health) and MDG 4 (infant health). Healthy mothers are
the critical factor in assuring infant and child health."

The authors noted how the current proposed bill fails to follow through:

"Unfortunately, these two sections are the weakest in the bill.
Most of the reproductive health proposals of the bill are
mandatory and supported through financial means, as well as
through the creation of new government agencies to assure
implementation. Sections 6 and 7 of the Bill, which provide the
only concrete health care and services to prevent or eliminate
maternal mortality, are not mandatory, and the bill earmarks
neither institutional support systems nor finances for their
implementation. The POPCOM, which is established in Section 5 to
implement and oversee the commitments outlined in the bill, has
nine specific areas related to reproductive health and
reproductive health services, yet no explicit mention of any
responsibility in the area of maternal and ObGyn care. This
most important section of the bill - and the only section
actually consistent with Catholic social teaching - has been
entirely neglected in the allocation of responsibilities to the
agency established to oversee its implementation."

This bears repeating: "Sections 6 and 7 of the Bill, which provide the only concrete health care and services to prevent or eliminate maternal mortality, are not mandatory, and the bill earmarks neither institutional support systems nor finances for their implementation."

You can read Sections 6 and 7 of HB 5043 yourself. The Bil fails to provide real support for obstetric facilities and trained personnel. It's all LIP SERVICE.

how about yours? isn't yours a scare tactic by equating unjustifiably and misleadingly the RH Bill as an abortion bill?

Not at all. HB 5043 EXPLICITLY FUNDS A FORM OF ABORTION THROUGH ABORTIFACIENT CONTRACEPTIVES.

This is an established fact which you deceptively try to hide. HB 5043 is a way to sneak in a form of silent abortion. let's call a spade a spade. HB 5043 is a pro-abortion bill.

isn't yours making a misleading poll question, a damned if you do damned if you don't question?

Like the biased surveys you love to cite? That's more hypocrisy from you.

i do not see why that reasoning is better than FVR, Lea Salonga, Chiz, Gibo, Noynoy, etc who support the RH Bill...

This is a classic example of argumentum verecundiam -- an irrelevant appeal to authority. Citing celebrities is not a rational argument and not at all convincing unless you starstruck.

btw, we are talking about Reproductive health, not diseases. Medicine for diseases have their own strategies.

You seem to forget that diverting funds to useless contraceptives takes funds away from addressing more important health issues.

More to the point, wasting money on contraceptives takes funds away from real reproductive health needs such as obstetric facilities and trained personnel, which are needed to reduce maternal mortality. In so doing, the RH/Abortion Bill undermines one of its stated objectives: reducing maternal mortality.

anyways, better i try to avoid you on this forum. to each his own kumbaga. u post yours, i post mine w/o bumping to each other, pwede?

That depends. I must continue expose your deceptions when convenient or necessary. However, if you would simply be more honest then there will be no need to do so. Then you will find the peace you seek. The choice is entirely yours.

The Philippines is one of the few countries that has withstood much of the contraception/abortion onslaught. We should stand firm and protect life. It is imperative that we REJECT THE RH/ABORTION BILL.




PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS AND THOSE OF THE UNBORN.
REJECT THE COERCIVE RH/ABORTION BILL (HB 5043)
Please sign the online petition AGAINST the RH/Abortion Bill (HB5043)
http://www.petitiononline.com/xxhb5043/

[akp_hudas]

Insanity is the correct definition of abortion!

Magtiwala ka sa akin
Kaligtasan mo ako
Dito ka susunugin
Sa aking paraiso

GUD LUCK NALANG INIG SULOD NINYO SA GANGHAAN SA IMPYERNO!





††† A TRUE SKEPTRON CAN SURVIVE THE DARK DAYS OF LIFE AND STARTS A NEW BEGINNING WITH THE LORD †††

[moving]

Then the best you can say is that the issue is UNRESOLVED. In which case, the rational thing to do -- given the grave stakes at hand (innocent human life) -- isto take the SAFER APPROACH and avoid doing something that may destroy innocent human life.

yes, we can agree to disagree. "given the grave stakes at hand" -- i.e. existing human life, it is logical and rational to respect and uphold existing rights of existing human beings. one's body, one's choice. its noboby else's business.

You do not demolish a building until you are sure no one is in it. If you cannot be sure it is safe to continue with the demolition, then you should not demolish the building. To do so would be totally IRRESPONSIBLE. The same logic applies to abortion.

serious ka ani? did you just compare a woman's body to that of a building? is a building even human? does it have rights? or don't you have regard for women at all? relegating our bodies as buildings?

[hakkai999]

I dont like abortion. But the fact is we need to control population so i think its better to educate people about family planning if that doesnt work legalize birth control medication.

[makal34]

ambot lng kha ani ug unsay ika sulti sa uban politician about ani na bill....

[myLADY]

insanity is the correct definition of abortion!

Magtiwala ka sa akin
kaligtasan mo ako
dito ka susunugin
sa aking paraiso

gud luck nalang inig sulod ninyo sa ganghaan sa impyerno!





††† a true skeptron can survive the dark days of life and starts a new beginning with the lord †††

hilum dha! Saun rkai mo musulti ana but do you have proofs Have you seen a soul that has been burned?do you really believe in hell. Pagsure oi.were talking here about some choices and not stupid thinking...
Dli nato gamiton ang inok-ok nga pang huna2 sa mga butang na ning matter..