Message: To All Filipino Christians (@ Pinoy Religion Forum)

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^ogobs siguro tawhana. yaw na na patula oi. pagduwa nalang ug heroes of newerth. mas naa pay sense.

[schmuck]

^ naa koi gihulat nga tubag gikan niya para pampaksi. hulat ta nga mukagat

kita kos trailer anang heroes of newearth. ako nya nanag sulayan hehe

[James307]

Sinasabi sa atin ng aklat ng Roma 8: 29-30 ang, “Sapagka't yaong mga nang una pa'y Kaniyang nakilala, ay itinalaga naman Niya na maging katulad ng larawan ng Kaniyang Anak, upang siya ang maging panganay sa maraming magkakapatid: At yaong mga itinalaga Niya, ay Kaniyang tinawag naman: at ang mga tinawag ay inaring-ganap naman Niya: at ang mga inaring-ganap ay niluwalhati din naman Niya.”

Sinasabi rin ng aklat ng Efeso 1:5 at 11 ang, “Na tayo'y itinalaga Niya nang una pa sa pagkukupkop na tulad sa mga anak sa pamamagitan ni Hesu Kristo sa ganang Kaniya, ayon sa minagaling ng Kaniyang kalooban..Tayo rin naman sa Kaniya ay ginawang mana, na itinalaga na Niya tayo nang una pa ayon sa pasiya niya yaong gumagawa ng lahat ng mga bagay ayon sa pasiya ng Kaniyang kalooban” Maraming tao ang may pagkagalit sa doktrina ng predestination. Gayon man, ang predestination ay isang Biblikal na doktrina. Ang susi ay unawain kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng predestination ayon sa Bibliya.

Ang salitang isinalin sa salitang “predestined” sa Kasulatan ay mula sa Griyegong salita na “proorizo,” na nangangahulugang “nalaman na noon pa man,” “itinakda,” “napagdesisyunan na bago pa man nangyari.” Kaya nga, ang predestination ay ang pagdedetermina na ng Diyos sa partikular na bagay bago pa man ito mangyari. Ano ba ang dinetermina ng Diyos noon pa man? Ayon sa aklat ng Roma 8: 29-30, dinetermina ng Diyos na ang partikular na tao ay maging kahalintulad ng Kanyang Anak na si Hesu Kristo, at tinawag na binigyang-matuwid at kaluwalhatian. Ang Diyos ang nagdetermina sa kung ang isang tao ay maliligtas. Maraming mga talata sa Bibliya ang tumutukoy sa isang mananampalataya kay Kristo na pinili siya ng Diyos (Mateo 24:22, 31; Marcos 13:20, 27; Roma 8:33; 9:11; 11:5-7,28; Efeso 1:11; Colosas 3:12; 1 Thessalonica 1:4; 1 Timoteo 5:21; 2 Timoteo 2:10; Tito 1:1; 1 Pedro 1:1-2; 2:9; 2 Pedro 1:10). Ang predestination ay isang doktrina na naaayon sa Bibliya na kung saan ang Diyos sa pamamagitan ng Kanyang Kadakilaan at pagiging Diyos ang pumupili sa kung sinong tao ang maligtas.

Ang pinaka-karaniwang pagtutol sa doktrina ng predestination ay ito umano ay hindi makatarungan. Bakit pipiliin ng Diyos ang ilang tao samantalang ang iba ay hindi? Ang pinaka-importante nating tandaan ay walang sinuman ang karapat-dapat na maligtas. Lahat tayo ay nagkasala (Roma 3:23) at nararapat lamang sa walang hanggang kaparusahan (Roma 6:23). Bilang resulta, Matuwid lamang para sa Diyos na hayaan tayong pagdusahan ang ating mga kasalanan sa impiyerno. Gayon man, pinili ng Diyos na iligtas ang ilan sa atin. Hindi natin masasabing ang Diyos ay hindi makatarungan sa mga taong hindi niya piniling iligtas sapagkat tinatanggap lamang nila ang nararapat sa kanila. Ang pagiging mapagbiyaya ng Diyos sa iba ay hindi nangahuhulugang hindi siya makatarungan sa iba. Walang sinuman ang nararapat na makatanggap ng anuman mula sa Diyos-samakatuwid walang sinuman ang maaaring magreklamo kung hindi sila makatanggap ng anuman mula sa Diyos. Maaring halimbawa nito ay: nagbibigay ako ng pera sa limang tao sa isang grupo na binubuo ng dalawampung katao. Nararapat bang ang labinlima katao na hindi nakatanggap ng pera na mula sa akin ay manibugho? Maaari. May karapatan ba silang manibugho? Wala. Bakit? Sapagkat, wala akong perang utang kanino man sa kanila. Mas pinili ko lang na mapagbiyaya sa iilan.

Kung ang Diyos ang pumipili sa kung sino ang maligtas, hindi ba nito sinasalungat ang ating kalayaang pumili at manampalataya kay Kristo? Sinasabi ng Bibliya na mayroon tayong kalayaang pumili-ang tanging gagawin lamang natin ay manampalataya kay Hesu Kristo at tayo ay maliligtas (Juan 3:16; Roma 10:9-10). Hindi kailanman inilarawan ng Bibliya na binabalewala ng Diyos ang sinumang nanampalataya sa Kanya o lumalayo sa mga naghahanap sa Kanya (Deuteronomio 4:29). Maaring, sa pagiging misteryoso ng Diyos, ang predestination nagtatrabaho kaalinsabay ng isang tao na tinawag ng Diyos (Juan 6:44) at tumanggap ng kaligtasan (Roma 1:16). Dinetermina na ng Diyos kung sino ang maliligtas, at nararapat nating piliin si Kristo upang tayo ay maligtas. Ang dalawang katotohanan ay kapwa totoo. Pinoproklama ng aklat ng Roma 11:33 ang, “Oh kalaliman ng mga kayamanan ng karunungan at ng kaalaman ng Diyos! oh di matingkalang mga hatol Niya, at hindi malirip na Kaniyang mga daan!”

[prukutung]

brod, kaila kag ADD member? di na mu-quit basta2x bai. di sad ka pansinon ana kay sya man daw ang sakto pirmi. kung tigtambay ka sa UNO, makaila kag AKNY (alam ko na yan). AKNY ning tawhana brod. ma-bogo lang kag inistorya ani nya. sayang imong ka-brayt ani nya

eh.. wa ko kaila sa mga ADD.. makaExplain ka?? ahehehe.. and regarding sa " di na mu-quit basta2x bai. di sad ka pansinon ana kay sya man daw ang sakto pirmi " obvious jud kaayu...
i know it form the start and that's why am here because am sick of these kind of people, with respect of your description...

and somehow am tired of this... for the second time... still none of my critical questions were answered... am tired of posting but maybe you can refer to my previous posts IF you
really have the ability to answer them CLEARLY and without evading critical questions...

and i also noticed that some questions of our fellow forumers were also left ignored without
a clear answer... is that a TRUE preacher

or maybe i have to translate everything to Tagalog.... awwww...

[James307]

eh fruitless lang naman ang sagot at paliwanag eh kasi gusto mo ata mag aaggree sa iyo ang isasagot ko kahit mali.

waste na makipagtalo sa ayaw tumanggap ng pagtatama kasi ayaw naman talagang tanggappin dahil matigas ang puso.

uulit ulitin pa ba ito? o talagang manhid lang ang mga tao na pinapakain mo na ng sagot pero ayaw kainin...

Ang itim na kambing ay itinakda na sa impyerno sila na mismo ang pumili ng kahihinatnan nila.

[James307]

I am surrounded with different types of people with different types of attitudes and life…

There are good and there are bad, there are Christians and there are Non- Christians (Atheist, Cults and Satanism)

I am one of those Christians who fight for the truth and right because I am concern of every people in this world.

Even though there are wrong criticism, judgment, pressure and persecution from non- believers and followers of wrong teachings

They don’t know God and even His Holy Word that to them they insist and hate it because they are guilty.

What the world need is Christ the salvation, light and to Him we will be truly Change for good.

“Life is what we make it, never have regrets…”

God gave us free will to choose for our good or for our fall because of evil.

Live with a purpose for God and for People… whatever we are and whatever we do.

To live is to serve, to be a true hero is to be a servant...

[prukutung]

[quote=James307;5684664]eh fruitless lang naman ang sagot at paliwanag eh kasi gusto mo ata mag aaggree sa iyo ang isasagot ko kahit mali.
- am not actually forcing you to agree with me... did i?? am just asking questions
and hopefully expecting clear answers from you (apparently you haven't)... there's no part in my posts that implies i want you to kneel on your knees and accept my ideals... what were you
thinking all this time??

waste na makipagtalo sa ayaw tumanggap ng pagtatama kasi ayaw naman talagang tanggappin dahil matigas ang puso.
- another wrong point... how certain are you that "matigas ang aking puso"? do you know me??
do you know my beliefs?? i'm not a fool who will just submit myself to a preacher who cannot
even answer my questions... are you expecting somebody who don't have his own ideals?? where's the credibility of your work there?? again your making false conclusions..

uulit ulitin pa ba ito? o talagang manhid lang ang mga tao na pinapakain mo na ng sagot pero ayaw kainin...
- excuse me... you haven't answered any of my questions yet, if you're smart enough to
comprehend that... are you even studying?? you seem not to understand...

Ang itim na kambing ay itinakda na sa impyerno sila na mismo ang pumili ng kahihinatnan nila.
- who are you referring to? i always know that statement and it's always true.. but it seems that
you have misplaced that here and you're saying that i am the black sheep and i choose hell..
do you consider yourself a good preacher?? recklessly pointing fingers to anybody who
seeks clarifications?? or are you just evading my questions and keep on spamming??



maybe you haven't noticed.. i always post a reply point-by-point... and you the preacher
didn't even answer a percent of them... is that a quality of a good preacher??

[jamesmusslewhite]

I am surrounded with different types of people with different types of attitudes and life…

There are good and there are bad, there are Christians and there are Non- Christians (Atheist, Cults and Satanism)

I am one of those Christians who fight for the truth and right because I am concern of every people in this world.

Even though there are wrong criticism, judgment, pressure and persecution from non- believers and followers of wrong teachings

They don’t know God and even His Holy Word that to them they insist and hate it because they are guilty.

What the world need is Christ the salvation, light and to Him we will be truly Change for good.

“Life is what we make it, never have regrets…”

God gave us free will to choose for our good or for our fall because of evil.

Live with a purpose for God and for People… whatever we are and whatever we do.

To live is to serve, to be a true hero is to be a servant...

Keep up the faith, keep up your strength, and keep Christ in your heart.

[jamesmusslewhite]

eh.. wa ko kaila sa mga ADD.. makaExplain ka?? ahehehe.. and regarding sa " di na mu-quit basta2x bai. di sad ka pansinon ana kay sya man daw ang sakto pirmi " obvious jud kaayu...
i know it form the start and that's why am here because am sick of these kind of people, with respect of your description...

and somehow am tired of this... for the second time... still none of my critical questions were answered... am tired of posting but maybe you can refer to my previous posts IF you
really have the ability to answer them CLEARLY and without evading critical questions...

and i also noticed that some questions of our fellow forumers were also left ignored without
a clear answer... is that a TRUE preacher

or maybe i have to translate everything to Tagalog.... awwww...

Maybe James307 believes he has told you enough, and he does not wish to be someones puppet, if you are not going to read the Bible. Then why should he have to read it for you? So many questions and the Bible can be read in 80 hours. Two easy weeks and you could answer them yourself. He did. Think of it as a Book Club, how can you talk about a book to those that read the book, if you do not take the time to read it yourself?

And none of this, "I already read the Bible" because if you had, then why all the questions? Read the book. Then you can have real dialog and not just confrontational debate. Nobody owes you a single answer, can you not seek the answers yourself? After all you are a smart guy, right?

[chad_tukes]

yeah but the guy is not up for discussions. what he's doing is against forum rules---spamming.

and yes, i'm surprised that this thread remains open. oh wait, it's under general discussions... nevermind then.