Evolution is now A FACT OF LIFE

[brownprose]

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theistic evolution pero without yet assuming the existence or nonexistence of the supernatural.

hmmm

That's why I said -- it also begins with a methodological assumption aka scientific method.

[Tirong-say]

Evolution is a fact and a Theory

When non-biologists talk about biological evolution they often confuse two different aspects of the definition. On the one hand there is the question of whether or not modern organisms have evolved from older ancestral organisms or whether modern species are continuing to change over time. On the other hand there are questions about the mechanism of the observed changes... how did evolution occur? Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution. Stephen J. Gould has put this as well as anyone else:

In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."

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Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

[chad_tukes]

If you also check my posts you will find that I had posted previously; that I had quite biology, stopped working for NASA and choose to start my own business focusing on botany. Post#481 while responding to "Maiic" and Post#747 responding to one of your Post. So where have I lied to you? And what gives you the right to call me a lier?

I love how you are quick to call other people a lier. I hear do not insult a Philippine male he may get his little feelings hurt, But I get routinely insulted on this forum. Sorry but were I come from you call a man a lier that is like sticking up your middle finger in his face. I guess you people here in the Philippines have so many people lie, that you no longer understand the concept of honor and respect. Truth is how a man is measured, it is all he has, it is all a man can truly take to his grave. Do not make the mistake of thinking you are worthy enough that someone has to try to impress you. You are in your very early 20's and in 30 years you should hopeful live a full and productive life. See how you like it when some young punk who so far has not done anything significant, calls you a lier on things that you have lived. See if you are as polite as me, somehow I doubt it. Sorry I have lead such a full and productive life, see if you can retire for life on your 50th birthday. You have less than 30 years better get started.

you said "No that is not correct i have not worked for NASA for years.", yet on your reply to MALIC, you said you've worked for NASA for 11 years. i see a contradiction with your statements, James. but maybe i just misunderstood you. oh well, just don't be too hard on yourself James. you're 30 years senior and i've had enough preaching from my mom. peace bro.

[chad_tukes]

kebot thinks i'm too good so he wants to recruit me to his camp. sorry kebs, i'm too valuable for that
--- aw, i would rather not say that... im no agency for maid/boy recruitment... careful with those... bsin ma scam... hahaha!

creationist already know the answer as to where we all came from, correct? GOD
--- to be specific, its clay/dust/mud... created by the hand of God. We have answers... evo not yet.

lol it's the same thing. clay/dust/mud whatever it is---creationists like kebot says it all came from God. hahaha!

[schmuck]

the part that amazes me ans a very short internet search will verify this fact. Lucy was proven to be a fraud yet every newspaper and news agency seems to remember this fact and sued the name like it was a real discovery and a step in our evolution.
CONFESSIONS OF THE EVOLUTIONISTS - HARUN YAHYA
Missing Links

sorry james, but you just cited Harun Yahya as a source. That man is an obvious fraud and liar. His book "Atlas Of Creation" is already scientifically proven to contain misinformation. There goes your reputation down the drain...

[brownprose]

Evolution is a fact and a Theory

However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution. Stephen J. Gould has put this as well as anyone else:

In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."

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Generally agree. A much better insight from the National Academies of Sciences ->> Evolution Resources from the National Academies

[chad_tukes]

sorry james, but you just cited Harun Yahya as a source. That man is an obvious fraud and liar. His book "Atlas Of Creation" is already scientifically proven to contain misinformation. There goes your reputation down the drain...

ooopss.

[brownprose]

sorry james, but you just cited Harun Yahya as a source. That man is an obvious fraud and liar. His book "Atlas Of Creation" is already scientifically proven to contain misinformation. There goes your reputation down the drain...

The prevalence of Hovindus hoaxus in the creationist lala land

[brownprose]

^^ the proof

In September 2008 Adnan Oktar aka Harun Yahya issued a challenge offering "10 trillion Turkish lira to anyone who produces a single intermediate-form fossil demonstrating evolution".

But Biologist PZ Myers responded: "The US government should immediately send a plane to pick up Mr Oktar, bring him to our country, and take him on a guided tour of the Smithsonian and the American Museum of Natural History, accompanied by Niles Eldredge, Kevin Padian, Jerry Coyne, Sean Carroll, and the entire scientific staff of those museums. Afterwards, they can accept the check from Mr Oktar, run down to the local bank and cash it, and use one trillion dollars to resolve the current financial crisis, seven trillion can be sunk immediately into the American educational system, and they can send the change left over to me as a reward for coming up with this brilliant plan."

Oktar's offer is similar to creationist Kent Hovind's $250,000 offer, which has been dismissed by creationists and scientists as a misleading gimmick where those who applied for the challenge have questioned his sincerity about paying and understanding of evolution.

source; Adnan Oktar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[jamesmusslewhite]

you said "No that is not correct i have not worked for NASA for years.", yet on your reply to MALIC, you said you've worked for NASA for 11 years. i see a contradiction with your statements, James. but maybe i just misunderstood you. oh well, just don't be too hard on yourself James. you're 30 years senior and i've had enough preaching from my mom. peace bro.

Well here are the quotes:

My 1st Paragraph In Post #481 to a reponse to Malic
Well if you had read the Posts "little fart" then you know that I am a 51 year old retired Horticultural biologist with 2 Masters Degrees (Texas A&M) and 1 Masters Degree (University of Houston) worked for NASA for 11 years then started my own business. When I was a young man I served 5-1/2 years as a Recon Sniper then Electronics(Telepony) and was with1/8th in Beirut in 1983 and survived the Marine Barracks bombing (which has left me with a 40% Service Connect Disability pension) and a permanent limp. Every day I feel my reward for trying to stop Israeli troop from killing every PLO member in the camps of Beirut. I hold no hatreds or any ill will for Muslims I have forgiven decades ago, because you can not hold a man responsible for the sins of a government. I have lived a full exciting and rewarding life. Now living in Surigao I am working on my wifes 6-1/2 hector farm working with the local Aggricultural Agencies promitting organic gardening and farm techniques; natural composting, fertilizer, and insect controls as to help minimize toxic run-offs in the mangroves and corals which are depleting fish breading grounds, so there will be fish for future generations. What do you do exactly?

Used by you in #749 taken from my Post #747
Originally Posted by jamesmusslewhite
Yes and I do not know how I got here. if you saw me 15 years ago you would not believe this is me either. I am a biologist and a botanist and if I were not and Atheist then I was surely a denier. When I worked at NASA I had fellow coworkers who began to challenge my belief system. They presented me with queries on subjects and theories that I was steadfast and doggedly supported. My college training and my field of study was under attack. They asked questions that I could not answer after years of independent study in some excellent research libraries, Museums, and fossil collections. I saw gaping holes and inconsistencies, Independent Biography reasearch on founding scientist in my field of study began to expose a systematic conspiracy and I was crushed. I had been applying charts, fables, doctored data, fake dates, and flawed fossil records to support a flawed concocted non-scientific theory. I was only helping to push an Atheistic lie to discredit the Bible. I picked the book up again a reread the work, and I have not been the same again. I quite NASA and started a business, and rededicated my life to my wife and son. I stopped practicing my field in Biology It is hard to do what you no longer accept.


Your Question" Post# #886 Originally Posted by chad_tukes
you don't have to go to a public libraray, James. you can find reliable articles/sources on the internet. a scientist, like yourself, should have access to private databases (from the company you worked for or universities) to pull resources from. i'm surprised that you don't. i'm waiting.

My response: Post #926
No that is not correct I have not worked for Nasa for years, even so the information has to be entered into digital form and downloaded into a server. Books , magazines, newspapers are not obtainable because they are not scanned. Most good information found on the internet is from books, but information from the books are sometimes documented in web articles. The proper search string and some times 20-100 pages must be reviewed to find one that applies. The internet has information but every website has to be read and annualized to insure it meets the high standards imposed by members who set the following rules.


You said I lie using this statement? "No that is not correct i have not worked for NASA for years.",
Well it has been over 14 years since I received a paycheck from NASA, which means I have not worked for NASA in years. Why is the Englis language or Employment rule different in the Phillipines? I have worked for myself for years, that's what they call in Texas starting your own business. Is that different in the Philippines too?

yet on your reply to MALIC, you said you've worked for NASA for 11 years.
For 11 years I received a payckeck from NASA. Thats what we call in Texas working for someone. Is that different here in the Philippines?

i see a contradiction with your statements, James.
Wow could a perfect person with your advance intellect possible be wrong?

but maybe i just misunderstood you.
Well that must be answer, You think? Maybe it is just cultural differences.

oh well, just don't be too hard on yourself James.
I am always hard on myself, that is how you become an achiever, and keep high moral standards.
A man must always be hard on himself, strive to be better, and try to live a full life. That's just free advice from an old Texas Jarhead with a little schooling.

you're 30 years senior and i've had enough preaching from my mom. peace bro.
So maybe I know things and done things you have yet begun. Good, that means you had a good Mom; because the good ones want what is best for you. My mom died from brain cancer in 1993, hug her and tell her you love her and you are proud to be her son. You never know how much time you will have to do so.

Remember I will still try to like you even if you call me a lier. And I try to respect those who even show me contempt. I am still a flawed man as all men have flaws. It is how we deal with those flaws, which is the true measure, which we can be judged by.