u clearly dnt knw how statistical models work. kay ang imu, agb at tns at wiki. ga.cmpute ka base sa ilaha figures. statistics uses samples, surveys to para mka.create ka ng projection at forecast derived from uncertain info. bk naman pati theory ng probability questionin mu pa? how does agb come up with a projected universe when they dnt knw the total viewing audience in the location. san pumapasok probability? sa nso, pag may tv ka, part ka ng tv viewing audience kht pa may mga dvr ka, etc. that is nt speculation when ur creating samples to project data. nasabi nila na 7million ++ ang 1500 panel homes by using statistics. do u think sasabihin lang nla na 67% market namin o un ang equivalent ng panel homes without another sample number to cmpute against it. yes tv survey at di ko cnabi na hndi, pero applied jan ang basic statistical procedure. di kta kinu.cnvinced to believe me. kaw kc, u just luk at figures and dnt even cmprehend how these numbers came to be.
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10-03-2009, 12:43 PM #341Senior Member
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speculations again? hmmmmmm... i dont comprehend? im showing proofs and i am not reading with comprehension? so asa ko mo tuo? sa speculations? sa possible sources? so i will comprehend the speculations and possibles sources and close my eyes to the facts na ako mabasa? is that what u want me to do?
Originally Posted by snowleopard
if you say ToTal Viewing Audience mao diay ng TV Households? pag may TV sets mao nana ang Total Viewing Audience... isa isahin ko ha - Viewing - Audience and were talking about TV surveys here not households. if mao ang data sa AGB ug TNS, if mao kadaghan ilang samples so be it kay sila man ga conduct sa survey, why pakialaman sila sa ilang samples, they will update naman if magchange sila but for the meantime kung unsa naa na data sa ilahang site mao na ilang Total Viewing Audience which the 2 companies conducted and the MAIN SOURCE of TV Surveys....
hindi ako nagmamarunong im just basing my facts sa mga sites ako mabasa, dont u get it? i dont assume, i dont speculate formulas or possible sources.
even your so called proof or link stated that ONLY 2 MAIN SOURCES of TV survey reports... if we will talk about statistics like households and number of TV sets per households, kana NSO na... since Ruby was talking about ratings, tv survey, obviously she is not referring to households with TV sets...
YOUR SPECULATION = TOtal Viewing Audience is TV households conducted by NSO..
so if u cant give me link or proof, i might end my case... email Ruby? why would i do that when kamo man cge push ana na data while ako ga base ko sa AGB, TNS, ug WIKI... kind of funny how Ruby became the source of TV SURVEYS. be resourceful, pangita ug lain source if mag match ba or not dili kay Ruby ra. as what other Istoryan said, padak-anay ni sila walay magpa lupig, and another Istoryan said if you have enough funds you can make a difference. hope you get that.
WITH PROOF/LINKS versus SPECULATIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, POSSIBLE SOURCES ?
guess who will win in a case?
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10-04-2009, 09:58 AM #344C.I.A.
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sakto ka bro...pasagdi-i na siya wui makasabot ra lage na or maka realize ba...bahala na siya maglabad ulo ana niya... Originally Posted by snowleopard
luoy si Rubio wala gud tah kaila ana niya and yet, naai usa ka nilalang dire assasinating her character para lang sa usa ka pamaagi nga wala niya masabti because limited raman sad iyang knowledge
gatsby obviously we can't answer those questions you have in mind since it was Rubio who conducted researches not us, we are just giving our POVs of the matter as how we understood things... we are not forcing you to believe us since like you we only have limited knowledge of how TNS and AGB run their surveys and come up with the ratings...so if u cant give me link or proof, i might end my case... email Ruby? why would i do that when kamo man cge push ana na data while ako ga base ko sa AGB, TNS, ug WIKI... kind of funny how Ruby became the source of TV SURVEYS. be resourceful, pangita ug lain source if mag match ba or not dili kay Ruby ra. as what other Istoryan said, padak-anay ni sila walay magpa lupig, and another Istoryan said if you have enough funds you can make a difference. hope you get that.
WITH PROOF/LINKS versus SPECULATIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, POSSIBLE SOURCES ?
you can send Rubio an email for clarifications, she won't bite you anyway
aw unsa diay ni contest?guess who will win in a case?
nahala gud IKAW
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10-04-2009, 02:31 PM #345Elite Member
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GMA is #1 in the market that matters the most, yes, they are not no. 1 in NUTAM, mao bitaw gi pakita to 77% share sa Luzon, now if u have doubts on the report, problema nyo na yon, better ask them how they got the numbers, kay im sure its not for us to comprehend kay di ta experts, basta ako, i trust gma news, and i dont question theyre reports (kapuya pud ana kng we have to confirm every report they do, kita nalng mag reporter ani kng in.ana) unless its obvious bogus na wa pa man nahitabo, besides i didnt read nor hear any news that rebutted the report
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10-04-2009, 04:11 PM #346C.I.A.
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thats it.. POV of urs and not basing sa mga proofs na makita. as how u understood things sa kang Ruby lang na figure no? wala mo nagbase sa uban? why isnt it clear sa imo when there are ONLY 2 main sources sa TV survey.... yes, Ruby researched on those figures BUT i was asking asa na niya gikuha? since kamo man sige push na 77% jud ang Luzon.. we will never get this far if dili ninyo gina push ng 77%, tapos pangayuan mo ug proof or figures dili mo ka hatag, mo speculate mo ug possible source.. why? because of POV.... yes you have limited knowledge same as I but my point is basing sa TNS and AGB figures, nothing more, nothing less. if you can show me figures about 77% and TV Households is same as TV Viewing Audience that is related to TV Survey then u will own me. just be resourceful, ayaw ug base sa usa ka butang lang na wala ka kabalo asa gikuha ug how she came up with those figures. ikaw pa gani nag ingun na if u have enough funds u can make a difference, right? Originally Posted by KASAAC
so now GMA is number 1 sa market? were talking about TV Ratings here.. hmmmmm... kinsa ang ga change gear natu? if number 1 sila sa market, mas datu pa unta sila sa ABS CBN but as i can see murag opposite man...so i wil ask you, who conducted this NUTAM Survey Reports? is it NSO? is it Ruby? wala man ko nag doubt sa GMANews ang ako gina question kani figures ni Ruby im not blaming or gina question the whole GMANews, again and again from the very first place since ikaw nag ingun aning 77%, explain to me with facts and figures why.. how can u show ur 77% without facts and figures? and how sure are you Ruby was referring to TV Households when her main concern in her article was TV Surveys or RATINGS? how come parang naging NSO statistics.... since uve mention NUTAM, who conducted and give results to NUTAM by the way? since uve mentioned NUTAM, does it mean u agree with me how i understood the article - about NUTAM and TV Survey? if yes, then kindly explain to snowleopard who said dili ko kabalo mo sabot ug eninglish... Originally Posted by |ceman
how come ni abot ka sa SHARE? do you know the difference between RATING and SHARE? The difference between rating and share is that a RATING reflects the percentage of the total population of televisions tuned to a particular program (conducted by AGB and TNS OBVIOUSLY) while SHARE reflects the percentage of televisions actually in use (conducted by NSO OBVIOUSLY). so mangutana ko why mo refer man si Ruby sa SHARE or TV actually in use? unsay point niya if mao na iya gina point sa iya article? of course RATING jud iya main concern.. so kindly understand my point. and, did Ruby mentioned SHARE here? i believe Total Viewing Audience that is related to RATING not share kay TV RATINGS mani or TV SURVEYS mani dili mani households...
this is not my problem also, ur the one who is pushing it but u cant justify what is written tapos ignun pako ninyo nagmamagaling? when u r the one who showed that article or figure without supporting facts tapos POV ra inyo i ingun nko? possible source? assumptions? IBUTANG TALANG?.. ill say speculations jud sya kay Ruby didnt mention NSO or TV households here kamo lang nag ingun ana and dili TV household iya main concern ani but Total Viewing Audience which ang mga panels distributed by AGB and TNS through NUTAM. why but-an man if gamay ang figures, why but-an man if soon magdako ang population sa pinas, why but-an sila when they know what theyre doing.. kung unsay naa sa figures nila mao rana... ayaw ug but-e...GMA continued to lead Mega Manila with an average audience share of 40.4 percent compared to ABS-CBN’s 31.1 percent, GMA said, citing data from AGB Nielsen Media Research.
In terms of the National Urban Television Audience Measurement (Nutam), GMA is behind by 1.9 percent although the company is ahead by 1.9 percent in Luzon, which comprises 77 percent of total viewing audience.
TV Households is different from TV Viewing Audience... not all all naay TV mga audience ng TV shows, not all TV set sa household mo ON, not all TV sets sa balay makakuha ug channels.... how come naging TV Households conducted by NSO ang Total Viewing Audience from NUTAM conducted by AGB and TNS.... if u have questions, kindly read back sakong definition sa RATING ug SHARE? u want proof anang definition nko? just ask me because at the very first place i dont assume, i based on facts and figures sa mga sites na nag conduct ani, u want the proof now?
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10-04-2009, 09:57 PM #347Elite Member
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hehehe ga balik2x ra na imong pangutana gats bisag natubag na na, the quote itself naa nay mga answers, di na ta ma layo imong mga pangutana, but naabot naman ka sa NSO, read carefully, i said, we are not experts to question asa gi kuha ni ruby (w/c represents GMA, not as herself), everything is not always What You See Is What You Get, kung di man nag coincide ang figures na imong gi pang tan.aw, then maybe there is a deeper process on that, again, if you will ask me, di ko ka tubag ana, coz iam not an expert, if you want, go ask rubio, but for most of us (im sure im talking on behalf of the majority), we do believe what our newscasters brought us coz its their profession, same as we believe our doctors and dentist on what they say, again, if naa ka problem sa mga info, go ask the source, i believe snow & kasaac, but still it seems u cant get enough of that, well, its not our problem ur very welcome to confirm it from the source aron maliwanagan naka basin di paka maka tug ana
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10-05-2009, 12:53 AM #348C.I.A.
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di man diay mo ka explain ug ka hatag ug figures tapos kamo pay kusog mo ingun nagmamarunong ko... when kamo raman cge hatag ug specualtions ug possible sources plus IBUTANG TALANG... if mag show kag proof dapat kabalo ka unsa ug asa tu gikuha - supporting facts ba dili kay kantsawan ninyo ang tao na nagmamarunong when in fact kamo raman diay.... ga speculate mog formula, ga speculate mog sources, ga speculate mog definition wen simulat sapul wa jud moy napakita na proof or link na mo support sa inyong POV... tapos karun mo ingun mo bcoz its Ruby from GMANews... well, i will say this to u too its from AGB and TNS, from WIKI and Google too...
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10-05-2009, 06:14 AM #349C.I.A.
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Feel free to email Rubio at feedback@gmanews.com Originally Posted by gatsby
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10-05-2009, 09:29 AM #350Senior Member
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call it speculation, etc. its how u see it kasi. walang pumipilit sau. bt let me tell na di kami katulad mu na may proof nga, di naman alam panu gamitin. wysiwyg ka nga tlaga. u think gma7 would just accept terms with agb pag sabi ng agb, 'yes, we cover 67% of market, u can check on our website.' wtf! duavit would likewise say, 67%. how? show me. it dnt work that way pal. whatevr u call that 77%, rubio just emphasize na un ang viewing audience ng luzon. bkt pa nya banggitin yun. to have a clear view of how large agb is kc from that 77%, may 67% sila na kinukuhaan ng survey based sa panel home. if ganyan lang sabihn ng agb na mag.nvest kau sa amin, 67% cover namin sa market eh, check nyo site namin. haler! can u just say that?! asan supporting facts nyo to arrive at that figure? again, u can call it speculation, etc. bt thats exactly how thing goes from a deeper perspective. if u think ur right, then tapos na. we think were right as well.
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