Karma and Reincarnation.

[chad_tukes]

kung munaug man gani ang Ginoo ug musulti nako, muingon jud ang Ginoo dili tinuod nang reincarnation...

lisod kaayo tuuhan nang reincarnation bro. wala jud koy nakitang justice ana nga pagtulun an.

by the way, laptop ni akong gigamit dili typewriter. ug windows vista ang OS sa akong laptop. gusto kag picture?



ka arogante baya nimo...

ah giru-a bai pein ahh... ako nana imong laptop beh?

[regnauld]

Nindot na nga verse bro ... kanang mga Divine Punishment and reproofing of the Lord, i think by undergoing this chastesment is when we start to Have Biblical Wisdom and Fear of his name.

God does not punish nor reward. We punish and reward ourselves through the consequence of our actions!

[regnauld]

Ang reincarnation dili raman kay sa next life tawo ka naa possibility mahimo kang mananap.

Mahadlok pud bro oi labi na katong nag tuo jud ana nga concept kay "wat u sow is what u reap man" ug magsige na sila pakasala basin sa next life ana mahimo na sila ug Orangutan ang pinakapait basin mahimong baboy, peligro.

Mas hadlok jud ang usa ra ka kinabuhi kung tinuod walay reincarnation kay kung masipyat ka like magpkamatay ka impyerno dayon ka. hahahaha

Unya kana ra bang suicide sa Japan kay dili na sala kundili HONOR na siya! Hundreds and thousands of people committed suicide na ra ba unya hundreds and thousands of people went to HELL na diay? FAETZ!

[regnauld]

kanang mutuo ug reincarnation dili siguro na sila mahadlok mubuhat ug sala kay ang pagtuo nila mu reincarnate ra bitaw...tsk tsk tsk!

Now you are not using your CRITICAL THINKING AGAIN...diha ka sipyat ug na trap pre!

Do you think Masters and Mystics from other religions who recognized the Law of KArma and Reincarnation is just a BIG JOKE or a BIG LIE? Think again. To REINCARNATE again and again just to LEARN your lessons again and again is a suffering and struggle just like when you go to school and when you don't study you will surely fail and go back again and again in order to LEARN and GRADUATE (BREAK THE CYCLE OF DEATH AND REBIRTH). As Jesus said, you will surely pay the last penny (your karmic debts)!

Diha ka NASIPYAT sa imong ILLOGICAL REASONING kapatid na pein kasi hindi ka kasi nag-aral nag mabuti kung ano ang KARMA and REINCARNATION. Eh, ang hirap sa iyo nag iisip ka na LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT OR KARMA HAS NO EQUIVALENT CONSEQUENCE or MORE THAN THAT!

[regnauld]

Let us read, study and THINK CRITICALLY again and again!

Reincarnation and karma in the Bible
by Jeanine Miller References to reincarnation in the New Testament which indicate that the doctrine was commonly accepted.

Generally speaking people are unaware that there are definite references in the New Testament that unequivocally imply reincarnation. Readers of the article entitled "Emperor, not Pope responsible for doctrine on reincarnation" (Share International, March 1982) might be interested to know of these. Following P. Andreas' quotation as to how "the Bible is apparently sadly lacking in this respect. In fact we may ask if the subject of reincarnation is so important - from the religious point of view -why there is so little mention of it in the Bible", the article goes of) to state that the few Bible references indicate that from the earliest times supporters and opponents of reincarnation have waged a bitter 'war'. We beg leave to disagree with this statement completely- We have never found any trace of such a "bitter war" in the Bible unless the writer meant a bitter war among interpreters of the Bible - but the subject, at least in the New Testament, was rather taken for granted, just as we take for granted that a healthy tree which has lost its leaves for the winter will get a new crown of leaves in the following spring. Let us examine the remarks which lead us to this conclusion.

The Baptist or Elias?

The first sign of a taking for granted of the doctrine is found in Matthew, 11:13- 14; 16:13. Jesus is asking his disciples Whom do men say that I, the son of man, am, (Matt. 16:13) and the disciples answer Some say that thou art John the Baptist, some Elias and others Jeremias or one of the prophets. How could Jesus be thought to be any of these except in a past life? Elias and Jeremias lived centuries before. As for John the Baptist, since he had recently been put to death, there could not have been a reincarnation, but it seems that some people thought that his spirit could have inspired Jesus. If people could speak in this way they obviously took the doctrine for granted. That Jesus is actually asking the question shows he is aware of the doctrine and considers it valid.
Jesus himself tells his disciples who John the Baptist really was in the past: For all prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear let him hear. (Matt. 11:13-14)

So Elias, according to Jesus himself came back to earth in the personality of John the Baptist. This is repeated or confirmed in Math. 17:12: "But I say unto you that Elias is come already and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the son of man suffer of them. The disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. " (This is called MISSION KARMA as opposed to KARMA that is negative).

There is here no equivocation, no polemic, but the words are from the Master himself. As for who he was in the past, Jesus is not interested in discussing it. He is far more in interested in finding out what his disciples think: "whom do ye say that I am?" (Math.16:15), And the answer of Simon that he is the Christ, the son of the Living God, that nothing else matters, pleases Christ who immediately makes him the corner-stone of his church. The point is, it does not matter what we have been in the past. To try to find that out shows rather our clinging to the personality. The doctrine of reincarnation is only important in so far as it teaches us that we are given many opportunities on this earth to perfect ourselves and work out our salvation. To emphasize it too much, has its drawbacks. It may encourage sloth, an attitude all too often shown by people, "I'll make an effort in the next life". On the other hand it might cause personality attachment, "I was Julius Caesar" or "Cleopatra", according to predilection - all of which is very detrimental to the spiritual life where ego-centredness has to be got rid of.

Who sins?

The third reference comes as a question concerning a blind man. The disciples ask Jesus: Who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" (John 9:2-3) How could a man sin before he was born, unless the sin was committed in another life? The apostles are not asking what kind of sin resulted in blindness, but *who* sinned, taking for granted that the act of sinning itself brought about this dire result.

Furthermore, the sin could have been committed either by the man in a previous existence, or by his parents. This implies both that the sins of the parents are visited upon the children, which is a biblical doctrine, and that the soul exists and therefore pays for the transgressions of previous lives.
Jesus does not rebuff the apostles for asking such a question. If the doctrine had been alien to his mind, he would have told them that they were talking nonsense. He simply takes a different attitude. His answer: Neither hath this man sinned nor his parents, but that the works of God should be made manifest in him, (John 9:3) implies that the doctrine of karma (and therefore its corollary, reincarnation) is not always understood rightly and that the calamities that befall humans should not necessarily be laid at its door.

Superficially we might take the meaning that the works of God should be made manifest as referring to his own healing ministry; that it can be shown that he, as God incarnate, can heal all, even blindness from birth. But I would tend to think that his answer has several levels of much deeper meaning, one possibly being that the man's blindness (if we take it as a literal physical blindness) was not brought about by sin but by a deliberate choice by the soul for a certain crucial experience necessary for its development. Out of that experience the soul would emerge triumphant through its perfect faith and trust in the Christ, by which could have been meant the external Jesus Christ or as the inner divinity to which Saint Paul referred when he said: My little children of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you. (Galatians 4:19)

Transformation of the Inner Man

That the doctrine of karma (and reincarnation) is all too often used as a crude palliative, to resolve problems that appear unresolvable, may have been understood to some extent in biblical times, even as it is nowadays in certain cultures and communities. This may be gathered from Leviticus where we find the following: And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbor as he hath done, so shall it be done to him. Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. (Lev. 24:19-20; cf. Ex. 21:24. Deut. 19:21)

In this Jewish expression of the law there seems to be no room for the transformation of the man, the change of heart and mind that would automatically bring about a different reaction. Jesus seems to have tried to counteract this notion of an inexorable law that leaves no room for human change of attitude in his new commandment: that ye love one another. This commandment superseded all the others, and is the law of laws which conveys compassion, forgiveness and grace, and implies the possibility of transformation.

With regard to karma, an interesting passage is found in Luke concerning the Galileans whose blood Pilate has shed in the midst of their sacrifices. (Luke 13:1) In his commentary, Jesus says: Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the Galileans because they suffered such things? I tell you nay; but except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:2-3)
The implication is that calamity does not occur to some because they have sinned more than others, but that all of us have wrong attitudes, and wrong attitudes lead us into misfortunes of one kind or another. To change one's attitude, to transform one's self, is the whole purpose of the many parables by which Jesus taught his disciples.

The important point of the Gospels' teachings is the transformation of the inner man, the psychological man.

In its esoteric sense Jesus' remark to Nicodemus: Thou must be born again, cannot be interpreted as referring to reincarnation, but to that inner transformation of man, equivalent to a new birth. That alone can transmute us into new beings capable of entering into that spiritual state called the kingdom of heaven. This is the main concern of the Gospels and of Jesus' teachings.

Reincarnation and karma in the Bible by Jeanine Miller

[regnauld]

The Law of Rebirth
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In the New Age, people will know of the continuity of life, lose their fear of life and death, and will transform human existence.

Great confusion reigns in man's understanding of the laws governing rebirth. This confusion is reflected in the variety of teachings and interpretations which exist, and which serve to deepen man's ignorance and fear.

For untold ages in the Orient, the idea of successive lives governed by an immutable law of karma has seldom been in doubt. The result has been the ready acceptance of the circumstances of the present, however degrading and inhuman they might be. In the Occident, on the other hand, the concepts of repeated incarnations has lain dormant, engaging the attention only of the few since its exclusion from the Church's teachings in the 6th Century at the instigation of the Emperor Justinius. Had the teachings of Origen remained within the body of Christian belief, an altogether different approach to the facts of life and death would pertain to the West.

That great Initiate knew and taught the truth of incarnational cycles, inaugurated by the Lord of the World, proceeding under the impulse of the Law of Sacrifice, and governed by the Law of Cause and Effect. The deletion of this truth from the Church's teachings has resulted in the ignorance and fear so much in evidence today. Where interest in reincarnation has survived, it has, for the most part, taken the form of an almost exclusive interest in the supposed personal details of previous lives.

In the coming cycle of Aquarius, an entirely new approach to the Law of Rebirth will be taken. No longer will the old, fatalistic acceptance of all that happens as the inexorable hand of karma hold sway in the East, condemning millions to lives of drudgery and pain; no longer, in the West, will men ignore the fundamental laws of their existence and the personal responsibility which the working of these laws confers. Men will know that they themselves create, through thought and action, the circumstances of their lives; but also that by the working of these same laws they can transform and change for the better their natures and conditions.
This will lead to a re-valuation of life's meaning and purpose and a healthier approach to the fact of death. An understanding of the continuity of all life, incarnate or not, will replace the present fear; the old phobia of death as the end of everything will vanish in the new light which will illumine the minds of men. Into the darkest corners of superstition and ignorance this new light will shine, awakening men to an awareness of their divinity as immortal souls.

The true understanding of the maxim of the Christ, that what we sow we reap, will transform human existence in all its aspects. Tolerance and harmlessness not known before will replace the present separation, as men recognize the justice and the logic of the Law.
The new era will bring new insights and man will approach life as the adventure it is, a journey of discovery -- the discovery of the fact that God and man are one; that naught divides but the limited vision of the seeker; that all men chart a different course to the same goal, that the goal of all our striving is realization of the divinity which awaits our recognition.

Under the great Law of Rebirth we undertake that journey again and yet again, until at last we enter into the Light of our own understanding as self-perfected Sons of God.

[amingb]

To Bro Reg :

Sa imoha posting there is no such concept of Reincarnation only assumption of the writers, a wrong interpretation its purely twisting the scriptures. Sipyat ang author ana kay gi interpret niya literally and verse since that verse is figurative.

Jesus pointed to John the Baptist as a type of fulfillment of Elijah's coming but he was not a reincarnation.

This is proven in John 1:20 when the Jews sent out the priests and Levites to investigate John's ministry. They ask him if he is the Christ. He states emphatically “No!” They ask him again if he is Elijah, John answers “I am not.”

John 1:25
They asked him, and said to him, "Why then are you baptizing, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

Another thing how come John the Baptist the reincarnation of Elijah since elijah never die.

The Bible Teaches the Concept of Ressurection not Reincarnation.

[amingb]

God does not punish nor reward. We punish and reward ourselves through the consequence of our actions!

Mao na imohang Critical Thinking Bro ....

Biblical Doctrine is Different from your Perspective .... basa ....

"But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil" (Luke 6:35)

"But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you; for you shall be repaid (rewarded) at the resurrection of the just" (Luke 14:13-14).

Klaro si God naay Reward sa mga tawong righteous katong ning obey niya...

Punishment .... basa ....

Is God also a God of justice in the sense that He will punish those who deliberately refuse to repent of their wickedness and wrongdoing?
"Then He will say to those on his left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels'" (Matthew 25:41).

"And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (verse 46).

The wicked suffer everlasting punishment in the sense that they are forever cut off from God and life itself, but He does not inflict them with eternal torment. Never forget that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life (Romans 6:23). Life and death are opposites, not two ways of saying the same thing. Death means the absence of life, not eternal life in another place.

Klaro kaau nga the Bible does not teach Reincarnation .... duha rajud padulngan its Heaven Or Hell.

[necrotic freak]

Let us read, study and THINK CRITICALLY again and again!

Reincarnation and karma in the Bible
by Jeanine Miller References to reincarnation in the New Testament which indicate that the doctrine was commonly accepted.

Generally speaking people are unaware that there are definite references in the New Testament that unequivocally imply reincarnation. Readers of the article entitled "Emperor, not Pope responsible for doctrine on reincarnation" (Share International, March 1982) might be interested to know of these. Following P. Andreas' quotation as to how "the Bible is apparently sadly lacking in this respect. In fact we may ask if the subject of reincarnation is so important - from the religious point of view -why there is so little mention of it in the Bible", the article goes of) to state that the few Bible references indicate that from the earliest times supporters and opponents of reincarnation have waged a bitter 'war'. We beg leave to disagree with this statement completely- We have never found any trace of such a "bitter war" in the Bible unless the writer meant a bitter war among interpreters of the Bible - but the subject, at least in the New Testament, was rather taken for granted, just as we take for granted that a healthy tree which has lost its leaves for the winter will get a new crown of leaves in the following spring. Let us examine the remarks which lead us to this conclusion.

The Baptist or Elias?

The first sign of a taking for granted of the doctrine is found in Matthew, 11:13- 14; 16:13. Jesus is asking his disciples Whom do men say that I, the son of man, am, (Matt. 16:13) and the disciples answer Some say that thou art John the Baptist, some Elias and others Jeremias or one of the prophets. How could Jesus be thought to be any of these except in a past life? Elias and Jeremias lived centuries before. As for John the Baptist, since he had recently been put to death, there could not have been a reincarnation, but it seems that some people thought that his spirit could have inspired Jesus. If people could speak in this way they obviously took the doctrine for granted. That Jesus is actually asking the question shows he is aware of the doctrine and considers it valid.
Jesus himself tells his disciples who John the Baptist really was in the past: For all prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear let him hear. (Matt. 11:13-14)

So Elias, according to Jesus himself came back to earth in the personality of John the Baptist. This is repeated or confirmed in Math. 17:12: "But I say unto you that Elias is come already and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the son of man suffer of them. The disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. " (This is called MISSION KARMA as opposed to KARMA that is negative).

There is here no equivocation, no polemic, but the words are from the Master himself. As for who he was in the past, Jesus is not interested in discussing it. He is far more in interested in finding out what his disciples think: "whom do ye say that I am?" (Math.16:15), And the answer of Simon that he is the Christ, the son of the Living God, that nothing else matters, pleases Christ who immediately makes him the corner-stone of his church. The point is, it does not matter what we have been in the past. To try to find that out shows rather our clinging to the personality. The doctrine of reincarnation is only important in so far as it teaches us that we are given many opportunities on this earth to perfect ourselves and work out our salvation. To emphasize it too much, has its drawbacks. It may encourage sloth, an attitude all too often shown by people, "I'll make an effort in the next life". On the other hand it might cause personality attachment, "I was Julius Caesar" or "Cleopatra", according to predilection - all of which is very detrimental to the spiritual life where ego-centredness has to be got rid of.

Who sins?

The third reference comes as a question concerning a blind man. The disciples ask Jesus: Who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" (John 9:2-3) How could a man sin before he was born, unless the sin was committed in another life? The apostles are not asking what kind of sin resulted in blindness, but *who* sinned, taking for granted that the act of sinning itself brought about this dire result.

Furthermore, the sin could have been committed either by the man in a previous existence, or by his parents. This implies both that the sins of the parents are visited upon the children, which is a biblical doctrine, and that the soul exists and therefore pays for the transgressions of previous lives.
Jesus does not rebuff the apostles for asking such a question. If the doctrine had been alien to his mind, he would have told them that they were talking nonsense. He simply takes a different attitude. His answer: Neither hath this man sinned nor his parents, but that the works of God should be made manifest in him, (John 9:3) implies that the doctrine of karma (and therefore its corollary, reincarnation) is not always understood rightly and that the calamities that befall humans should not necessarily be laid at its door.

Superficially we might take the meaning that the works of God should be made manifest as referring to his own healing ministry; that it can be shown that he, as God incarnate, can heal all, even blindness from birth. But I would tend to think that his answer has several levels of much deeper meaning, one possibly being that the man's blindness (if we take it as a literal physical blindness) was not brought about by sin but by a deliberate choice by the soul for a certain crucial experience necessary for its development. Out of that experience the soul would emerge triumphant through its perfect faith and trust in the Christ, by which could have been meant the external Jesus Christ or as the inner divinity to which Saint Paul referred when he said: My little children of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you. (Galatians 4:19)

Transformation of the Inner Man

That the doctrine of karma (and reincarnation) is all too often used as a crude palliative, to resolve problems that appear unresolvable, may have been understood to some extent in biblical times, even as it is nowadays in certain cultures and communities. This may be gathered from Leviticus where we find the following: And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbor as he hath done, so shall it be done to him. Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. (Lev. 24:19-20; cf. Ex. 21:24. Deut. 19:21)

In this Jewish expression of the law there seems to be no room for the transformation of the man, the change of heart and mind that would automatically bring about a different reaction. Jesus seems to have tried to counteract this notion of an inexorable law that leaves no room for human change of attitude in his new commandment: that ye love one another. This commandment superseded all the others, and is the law of laws which conveys compassion, forgiveness and grace, and implies the possibility of transformation.

With regard to karma, an interesting passage is found in Luke concerning the Galileans whose blood Pilate has shed in the midst of their sacrifices. (Luke 13:1) In his commentary, Jesus says: Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the Galileans because they suffered such things? I tell you nay; but except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:2-3)
The implication is that calamity does not occur to some because they have sinned more than others, but that all of us have wrong attitudes, and wrong attitudes lead us into misfortunes of one kind or another. To change one's attitude, to transform one's self, is the whole purpose of the many parables by which Jesus taught his disciples.

The important point of the Gospels' teachings is the transformation of the inner man, the psychological man.

In its esoteric sense Jesus' remark to Nicodemus: Thou must be born again, cannot be interpreted as referring to reincarnation, but to that inner transformation of man, equivalent to a new birth. That alone can transmute us into new beings capable of entering into that spiritual state called the kingdom of heaven. This is the main concern of the Gospels and of Jesus' teachings.

Reincarnation and karma in the Bible by Jeanine Miller

So karon reg kay Okay na ang bible para nimo? ingon ka sauna THE BIBLE IS FULL OF CONTRADICTION AND ERROR! nagkaanam naman ka kahanap reg. abi kay mao man gi ingon ni Jeanine Miller tuo sad dayon ang mga theosophist. lolz

https://www.istorya.net/forums/arts-a...nd-errors.html

[Homo_quaeritans]

To Bro Reg :

Sa imoha posting there is no such concept of Reincarnation only assumption of the writers, a wrong interpretation its purely twisting the scriptures. Sipyat ang author ana kay gi interpret niya literally and verse since that verse is figurative.

Jesus pointed to John the Baptist as a type of fulfillment of Elijah's coming but he was not a reincarnation.

This is proven in John 1:20 when the Jews sent out the priests and Levites to investigate John's ministry. They ask him if he is the Christ. He states emphatically “No!” They ask him again if he is Elijah, John answers “I am not.”

John 1:25
They asked him, and said to him, "Why then are you baptizing, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

Another thing how come John the Baptist the reincarnation of Elijah since elijah never die.

The Bible Teaches the Concept of Ressurection not Reincarnation.

i don't think you had read Regnauld's entire post. In his post are found revelations that points to the law of reincarnation.

the two verses that you posted intensifies the fact of contradictory principles found in the bible.