Does a soul or spirit reside in the flesh?

[brownprose]

ty ylingao for bringing this up. i'm reading back the answers ...daghan gyud to-od ta og makuha.

my questions are:

1. what's a soul and what's that they call a spirit that lives in the body or do we really have a soul to begin with?

2. if souls are, accordingly, "immaterial" why can't it get out of the body?

3. if it is an energy like the sun, or the wind, why does it (soul) think?

[SEED OF LIBER]

If man is said to have a soul, does it live in the flesh? The Bible tells us that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Other associations to a soul or spirit are those that come out after the person dies. But spirits are IMMATERIAL. And how does a spirit or a soul dwell in the body of a person considering it's non material properties?

Ideas?

Soul , Spirit ,

Mansanitas og mansanas

Mura ranig in-ani ba ! pero deli lang pariho
Mansanitas gamay nga mansanas
Mansanas dako nga mansanitas.
Gilebog lebog ta ba ! mosamot og kalobog...

Ambot mosamot gyug kaLawgaw og mga hobog kung atong ning cheseran og Ghost....

[Existanz]

Nindot ni hehehe...

ty ylingao for bringing this up. i'm reading back the answers ...daghan gyud to-od ta og makuha.

my questions are:

1. what's a soul and what's that they call a spirit that lives in the body or do we really have a soul to begin with?

I think the soul is simply the human body (flesh), that is why even animals have souls, include na diha ang brain.

the "Living Soul" to which the Bible refers to is now Body + Mind (rational). Maybe it is called 'living' because it is now capable of 'seeing' (in rational manner) God.

2. if souls are, accordingly, "immaterial" why can't it get out of the body?

Immaterial simply because it exist as a pure function. As I see it, the Bible really speaks for us- we are nothing coming from nothing (conciousness). Come to think of it, it is the same with the universe.

It doesn't have to get out of the body, it is simply not there! It needs the body to express it-self and in doing so it exist.

[B]3. if it is an energy like the sun, or the wind, why does it (soul) think?

It's like a program code, we can see the million (in the case of the brain perhaps gazillion hehehe!) of bits arranged in such a pattern. We can recognized that there is a pattern but what's the information behind those patterns we can not comprehend- it is beyond our comprehension (I assumed). As in any program code, we can only see it's 'purpose' when we see, hear and feel its output.

The brain is like that, within those gray matter perhaps there is a program and it's 'output' is what we called the 'self'. The brain's primeval code could be likened to a computer's BIOS program.

Now this may sound preposterous, but I think the 'output' is capable of re-writing some parts of the code to suits what it wills. Imagine your Microsoft Word all of a sudden shift to arabic language because it fancies arabic letters to be artistic..

In the case of our consciousness, for instance, our eyes see a hot chicks with nice legs, our natural animal instinct (primeval code) has it that we should go and ravished this sexy thing! But then again, the 'self' influence in part by social decorum supercede this primeval code.

Mura bag OS sa computer, kining atong 'self' o OS (hehehe) murag in the process of 'self-programming' pa while we are still experiencing the beauty and ugliness of existence. And the when the time comes for us to die (ideally) of old age, we can say we are a Finish Product na.

Kaya lang in the Christian world view there is a Quality Inspector at the end of the assembly line..hehehe

Ambot unsay tinoud ani hehehe..istorya lang ni ako. Hala larga! til-tila ninyo ug maayo hehehe

[SEED OF LIBER]

Mura bag OS sa computer, kining atong 'self' o OS (hehehe) murag in the process of 'self-programming' pa while we are still experiencing the beauty and ugliness of existence. And the when the time comes for us to die (ideally) of old age, we can say we are a Finish Product na.

Naa koy ipuno bro... ( Soul )

mura pud ni siyag Bios ba embedded baz Motherboard kung imo ni siyang lakse-on posebleg ma shakoy imong MOBO.... in other words Hagtoz gyong Tao kung wala na syay Soul...

[Existanz]

Naa koy ipuno bro... ( Soul )

mura pud ni siyag Bios ba embedded baz Motherboard kung imo ni siyang lakse-on posebleg ma shakoy imong MOBO.... in other words Hagtoz gyong Tao kung wala na syay Soul...

Mao'ruy! Murag na paralyzed na! hehehe Mag-siga lang ang power indicator pero wa gyu'y animo ning monitor.

[brownprose]

It is brilliant Existanz! To get things more interesting, allow me to play the devil here.

Nindot ni hehehe...

I think the soul is simply the human body (flesh), that is why even animals have souls, include na diha ang brain.

the "Living Soul" to which the Bible refers to is now Body + Mind (rational). Maybe it is called 'living' because it is now capable of 'seeing' (in rational manner) God.

if there is a living soul does it follow that there is also a "dead soul"? if the soul is merely "body + mind" so it is not immortal? what about the parable of the rich man where lazarus the beggar died, and was brought by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. does this not imply the immortality of the soul?

Immaterial simply because it exist as a pure function. As I see it, the Bible really speaks for us- we are nothing coming from nothing (conciousness). Come to think of it, it is the same with the universe.

Does it follow then that as a "function," the soul terminates (co-terminus) itself upon the death of the flesh where it is kept or held?

It doesn't have to get out of the body, it is simply not there! It needs the body to express it-self and in doing so it exist.

Hmmm....if it is "not there" are expressions of the body came from out of the expression of the soul? what about expression of physical pain or a reaction to a stimulus? What separates then the expression of the soul and the expression of the physical body?

It's like a program code, we can see the million (in the case of the brain perhaps gazillion hehehe!) of bits arranged in such a pattern. We can recognized that there is a pattern but what's the information behind those patterns we can not comprehend- it is beyond our comprehension (I assumed). As in any program code, we can only see it's 'purpose' when we see, hear and feel its output.

The brain is like that, within those gray matter perhaps there is a program and it's 'output' is what we called the 'self'. The brain's primeval code could be likened to a computer's BIOS program.

Now this may sound preposterous, but I think the 'output' is capable of re-writing some parts of the code to suits what it wills. Imagine your Microsoft Word all of a sudden shift to arabic language because it fancies arabic letters to be artistic..

If the soul is merely an output of the brain, so it is not spirit? therefore "spirit soul" is not true?

What about those whose brains that are sick or (mentally) ill, does it follow a defective soul? if man was created as a living soul, could we classify as "living but defective soul" those who were mentally ill at birth?

In the case of our consciousness, for instance, our eyes see a hot chicks with nice legs, our natural animal instinct (primeval code) has it that we should go and ravished this sexy thing! But then again, the 'self' influence in part by social decorum supercede this primeval code.

Mura bag OS sa computer, kining atong 'self' o OS (hehehe) murag in the process of 'self-programming' pa while we are still experiencing the beauty and ugliness of existence. And the when the time comes for us to die (ideally) of old age, we can say we are a Finish Product na.

Kaya lang in the Christian world view there is a Quality Inspector at the end of the assembly line..hehehe

If it's consciousness we are to be judged, what about our consciousness in the dream state? Remember, we are still conscious while we are at sleep. In a sleep state, the brain is only at rest but still conscious. Given, if we dreamt of a hot chick other than our wife, are we also to be judged for the misdemeanor committed in the consciousness of our sleep?

If the immaterial consciousness equates to the soul, why do we have to be judged for the offenses of the flesh? Don't you think it would be more appropriate to use instead an "immaterial criteria" for which the soul is to be judged?

Ambot unsay tinoud ani hehehe..istorya lang ni ako. Hala larga! til-tila ninyo ug maayo hehehe

Hehehehe...galabad na hinoon akong ulo ani bro da heheheh

[Existanz]

Pandamay! naa koy deadline diri hehehe.. di ko ka gather sa akong thought..

Assignment na lang ni Prof. Brownprose hehehe..ugma na ko reply para han-ay akong huna-huna..nindot ni.

[akosabni]

this is crazy. dugay na ta sa kalibutan, naka ad2 na ta sa buwan, pero wa pa ta kahibaw unsa ta

who am i?

[miyay]

^hard to find a proof for what's within using the methodologies of finding a proof for the things without

who am i? very nice song.

[Lovely Charm]

ty ylingao for bringing this up. i'm reading back the answers ...daghan gyud to-od ta og makuha.

my questions are:

1. what's a soul and what's that they call a spirit that lives in the body or do we really have a soul to begin with?

2. if souls are, accordingly, "immaterial" why can't it get out of the body?

3. if it is an energy like the sun, or the wind, why does it (soul) think?

read this somewhere sa Theosophical digest-

The idea that their is a soul or that their is no soul are both hypothesis.
The intercourse between pure spirit & crudest matter brings forth a child called "soul"