Tomas: Where did the money go (Gwen)?

[dmelsie]

na mao na ni ron. gigastuhan og dako niya wala kaayoy gamit maintenance gasto au gyud ani

[eslowrak]

Dapat ang buhis sa taga province ibalik sa province thru infrastructure project and livelihood dili kay ipahimo ug CICC ug ipamalit ug yuta nga naa sa ilawom sa dagat. Nag apas man si Gwen sa komisyon. Sama sa gihimo ni Tomas sa buhis sa city ilabi na sa mobayad ug advance sa buhis sama sa FLI ug SM nga silay magbuot unsay gastohan sa ilang gibayad nga buhis. Like SRP nga nagsugod na ug kahalin gipanghatagan ang mga senior citizen ug mga disabled.

[jcgoyong]

mao btaw nag governor na si garcia aron mas dako ang project na pde nya himuon aron mas dako iya ma bulsa gama sa contractor nga makig FIX sa iyaha. klaro na kaau na nga pattern!!

naa gyuy mga tawo nga kawatan. bag0 na sya ma mayor. pila pila rman property ana nya. karon?? kung pde lang i lifestyle check. dli sing dako sa ubang politicians pero makaingon jud cguro ko x10 na iya worth compared a few years ago... hastang dakoa sa iya na bulsa daan cgurado sa CICC. tiwasan pa ni sa underwater properties LOL

[leonell]

Mas dako pa diay'g mabuhat ang Mayor nga syudad ra ang gihandle kaysa sa Gobernadora nga usa jud ka Isla ang gidala.

[giddyboy]

Considering Cebu's VAST population........ it's irony if I say ALL Cebuanos have jobs right? I mean, with too much people in a City from the PROVINCE! Then there would be competition between City residents and the provincianos. So tendency is, City residents may also go out and look for some place to get jobs. That's why Cebuanos are also working in Manila. It's a domino effect, if the PROVINCE fails to give enough jobs then people will continue flocking in the City and those jobs who are supposed for the residents to benefit will be competed by the provincianos.

i think you got the logic false there. you wrongly assumed that City residents go out and look for some place coz provincianos are competing w/ them.

you also further wrongly assumed that the Province failed to give enough jobs to their constituents. The Province's job is not to provide jobs to the people. Capitol is not a job placement agency. It only provides opportunities for everybody. What will provide jobs is investments from business entities pouring their capital into Provinces, resulting to more economic activity and jobs. in fact, it has been going on already.

why do you think some of our towns almost got to the status of cityhood? that's because these towns experience growth!

you also failed to consider that jobs are not the only determinant of growth. in case u didn't know, many of our towns and municipalities have already been classified from a 4th class municipality to 3rd, 2nd, and 1st class municipalities...

and whether the province provides more opportunities, still people are gonna flock to the cities. again, it's not just because of jobs, but because of a lot of other factors.

bsan asa ka sa kalibutan, an urbanized city attracts people from different places like a magnet. in Cebu City, not only people coming from Cebu Provinces comes to Cebu. some even come from Manila! some come from even as far as Mindanao! heck, some even as far as from South Korea!!!

i like tomas compare ni gwen atleast tomas daghan jd nabuhat kana lang srp daku na ayu nag tabang kung wa nang srp pwerting trafika sa highway....

let's remember that SRP money didn't come from taxpayer's money. It came from a big loan from Japan. nya to pay that loan, taxpayer's money has to pay for it. heck, perhaps our grandchildren's children may still be paying for it!

well, the Province can also do it (loan) u know, but just didn't.

[giddyboy]

i may not be from cebu but this issue has so far informed us as well. Been here for six years already, including the last few years of gwen garcia's term. since before dli ko ganahan ni garcia kay power tripper. If you have forgotten she messed with employees last pay tungod lang kay jokingly ni ingon ang employee something about "dungangi gamay beh". gipa pull out tanan xmas bonus ug gipagamyan samot. can you believe that??

I don't even think that was "jokingly". it was an insult. u see, things like these you can't just explain in 2 sentences. You have to give exact details down to the nitty gritty stuff why it happened. otherwise, that's malice intended.

tapos mu spend 800 millions over something over priced.

well, accdg to records, it was not overpriced. Nobody has confirmed w/ valid evidence that it was overpriced. It was only "perceived" to be overpriced, to some.

Im not from here but CICC never gave interest to me. maau untag it is something all of us can visit for fun. something to tell us tourists nga this is one of cebu city's marvel. so far, all i can say is CICC is one of Gwen garcia's final kurakot.

CICC is not intended so that all of us can visit there for fun. It is something intended for serious matters and not only for fun. if you came to notice the name, it is "Cebu International Convention Center". the name itself is self-explanatory.

I dont like the mouth of Osmeña since the hospital issues. wherein ang public hospital officials ni ingon nlng gud ug "leave us alone". pero the thing is, Tomas has a point and he is doing it publicly.

well, what you knew is not complete. remember he publicly said that all patients coming from Cebu province will be denied hospital service (at CCMC) and instead be transported in a mulitcab and delivered to Capitol? where's the point in that? that's even a reckless and irresponsible statement. it is even discriminatory.

atleast, naa syay PAKI ALAM and thats better than a mayor doing nothing but signing contracts and receiving money. he have transparency pero usahay wla lang jud syay batasan. samot na tong issue sa miss cebu. anyway, If supak ang iya kontra niya, kiha na kung kiha. patay na kung patay. But i rather have a mayor who would clean all gusot in a province may it be argueing with almost everyone else. This is a good way to reshuffle staff and a good way to scare off corrupt people. hopefully dli muabot sa point na bias na ni tomas tanan kay basin martial law resulta ani.

an arrogant and pala away nga mayor cannot justify him being a good mayor.

now back to the topic, the issue raised again by Tomas sa CICC is beating again a dead horse. It is still part of the verbal tussle between him and Gwen. if i'm not mistaken, he is gunning for Congressman in 2010. I believe it is still part of his spin and political posturing come 2010.

why kato na contractor man gi pili?

ky mao may nka daug sa bidding process...

unsay income sa CICC?? away ni pacquiao? lools...

CICC was not constructed to mainly make an income. It was made mainly to provide a "multiplier effect" and to provide diplomatic and international opportunities. the name itself is even self-explanatory.

Dapat ang buhis sa taga province ibalik sa province thru infrastructure project and livelihood

they did. did u happen to read the governor's SOPA? or perhaps her accomplishment reports?

dili kay ipahimo ug CICC ug ipamalit ug yuta nga naa sa ilawom sa dagat.

providing livelihood is one thing. constructing the CICC is another thing. in fact, the CICC is one of the infra projects. and it's not even under the provincial level. It's under the national level.

and regarding sa Balili lots, the reason to buy them is justifiable: an international port and economic zone for their constituents.

it's just that in the buying process they screwed up...big time.

[wak_wak]

bisag unsa on, even ang issue klaro na kaau, edeny gihapon.. dili jud padakop ug buhi.. whatever yaya..

pasensya na ha, maybe kaya nila manipulate ang uban taw, pero for me daghan na karun aware na cebuanos.. dili kinahanglan ug justification kay obvious na kaayo ang mga corrupt..

[giddyboy]

bisag unsa on, even ang issue klaro na kaau, edeny gihapon.. dili jud padakop ug buhi.. whatever yaya..

pasensya na ha, maybe kaya nila manipulate ang uban taw, pero for me daghan na karun aware na cebuanos.. dili kinahanglan ug justification kay obvious na kaayo ang mga corrupt..

i'm sorry but unsa nga issue ang klaro na kaau? care to elaborate on that? and what man ang i-deny gihapon? care to elaborate more?

klaro na kaau nga naay anomaliya ang Balili lot issue? of course, naa gyud. Mahimo ba diay nang controversy kung wala? ang question lang, who are the people liable and the degree of liability.

Deny? who r u referring to that is denying? Gov. Gwen? did she just apologized for her mistake?

kinsa man sab ang gaingon nga dili aware ang mga Cebuanos? in fact, we've been more aware on what's happening around us than ever before! it is just that perhaps due to that, kung unsa pud ka increasingly aware kuno, sometimes ing ana pud mo increasingly prejudge and presume, ang uban...

[genesis04]

let's remember that SRP money didn't come from taxpayer's money. It came from a big loan from Japan. nya to pay that loan, taxpayer's money has to pay for it. heck, perhaps our grandchildren's children may still be paying for it!

well, the Province can also do it (loan) u know, but just didn't.

and why do you think is this happening bai...na its the taxpayers' money that is now shouldering the debt? isnt it simply because of the delaying tactics employed by osmena's critics?

i mean, cmon, i was even appalled by the fact that Capitol even had the guts to enter into the bidding process for the SRP lots when in fact, they completely do not have the necesseary qualifications and experience to accomplish a project of that magnitude.

and dont even bother telling me na they had every right to do so and that we are in a democratic country blah blah...coz for me, their intentions was as clear as day. in my eyes, they just made themselves a laughing stock.

kay if only walay sagabal dha in getting those lots titled and sold, the city wouldnt even need to use taxpayers' money to pay the debt. the sale of the lot would have been more than enough to pay for the loan..plus, it would have created a multiplier effect that only gwen could have dreamed of for the CICC!

Cebu INTERNATIONAL Convention Center? oh please! for that quality..or to be precise, lack thereof, it is utterly far from reaching international standards. i just hope you are not too blind to see the substadard quality of the workmanship of the CICC. or much worse, you are already satisfied with its workmanship..and is truly proud to call that...umm...abomination of architecture..and cebu international convention center.

[wak_wak]

i'm sorry but unsa nga issue ang klaro na kaau? care to elaborate on that? and what man ang i-deny gihapon? care to elaborate more?

klaro na kaau nga naay anomaliya ang Balili lot issue? of course, naa gyud. Mahimo ba diay nang controversy kung wala? ang question lang, who are the people liable and the degree of liability.

Deny? who r u referring to that is denying? Gov. Gwen? did she just apologized for her mistake?

kinsa man sab ang gaingon nga dili aware ang mga Cebuanos? in fact, we've been more aware on what's happening around us than ever before! it is just that perhaps due to that, kung unsa pud ka increasingly aware kuno, sometimes ing ana pud mo increasingly prejudge and presume, ang uban...

aw, si gwen diay? mukang guilty.. hehe.. no need to elaborate my friend.. such a waste of time to type more.. enough na ang tax na ako gihatag nila na gikan sa ako effort from work, di nako mo waste ug additional effort to elaborate more..

i have my two eyes and one brain, cguro enough na ni para ma process nako tanan info na ako nakit an para maka identify what is right and what is wrong and maka conclude na way au si gwen..

good day to all..