Karma and Reincarnation.

[Tirong-say]

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that depends on the kind of "help" you want for the person. does this "help" involve deciding what is best for the person and not the person himself choose? sometimes, just sometimes, the best help you can do for a person is not to "help" at all.

Thanks for the reply Sir,
here is the scenario,I found out that a person had schemes to rob a bank for reasons that he is unable to pay the hospital bills for his ailing daughter, one way or another I found out then steps in and offered the money he needed and prevented him from doing so.
I assume that I prevented him in creating his own karma, the question is, does my doing benefits me?

[josephdc]

your helping may effect nothing at all with his karma, because he is already bound by it. but, that should not stop you from helping him if you really want to help. your deeds will a have a karma of your own too. as i said, karma neither rewards nor punishes. it just reaps what you sow. that person you have helped, when he reincarnates, will still pay his debt of karma, so to speak.

But you are interfering with the supposed consequences of his misdeeds. In effect, you are interfering with the "operation" of "karma" in his life.

[josephdc]

yes, i've heard that line before. early church fathers such as Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and Irenaeus, were understandably disturbed and resorted to the desperate claim that these similarities were the result of diabolical mimicry. using one of the most absurd arguments ever advanced, they accused the Devil of "plagiarism by anticipation", of deviously copying the true story of Jesus before it had actually happened in an attempt to mislead the gullible. these church fathers struck us as no less devious than the devil they hoped to incriminate.

I don't think the Church Fathers are guilty of those accusations. However, I'm not referring to them. Scholars today are saying that these supposed parallels actually post-date Christianity. And the thesis that Christianity "copied" these ideas from ancient Pagan mystery religions is not actually new. It had been around since the late 19th to the middle of the 20th centuries. There were scholars who sought to refute these ideas and they considered this a dead issue, but it has made a comeback recently because of popularizers like the maker of the film Zeitgeist. A lot of people gave that movie a severe critique and suggested that it ought not to be taken seriously.

[Malic]

i think it was Regnauld who posted a topic like that. and i think it was Origen he was trying to refer to. it may seem unlikely but during the ancient times, some very early church fathers did teach the doctrine of reincarnation. early christianity during those times were still broken into hundreds of factions and sects and so the church teachings were informal. it was only during the Council of Nicea that the unification of the church did happen. and so, some doctrines were voted as heretical and therefore were outlawed.

it's not so difficult to believe in Christ and at the same time believe in reincarnation, sir.

mao bitaw, nag convene sila to sort out an " official " position daw sa Church, then diha dayon nigawas ang bible, nya gibuhat nila dayun ang bible as the standard for teachings sa Christianity.

but before wala pa ang bible, there were church fathers nga nag preach na ug reincarnation.

[handsoff241]

mao bitaw

Mao gyud... bitaw.

[Ramini]

mao bitaw, nag convene sila to sort out an " official " position daw sa Church, then diha dayon nigawas ang bible, nya gibuhat nila dayun ang bible as the standard for teachings sa Christianity.

but before wala pa ang bible, there were church fathers nga nag preach na ug reincarnation.

ang council of nicea ni noh...pero was it really to make it official or just to please the warring christian factions..but wat if the council didn't happen..unsaon nlang.

[SEED OF LIBER]

The Creeds of Christendom and the Vedic philosophy --- Are both walking on a parallel line...




Jumper is Fix . . . Walay ma Slave aning duha puro ni mga Master .... ha ha ha

[brownprose]

The church fathers never propounded the idea of reincarnation to be part of Christian teaching nor any of the patristic literature suggest such philosophy to be consistent with the resurrection of the dead from the time of the Apostolic fathers to St. Gregory the Great.

I haven't read all the patristic literature though but I would like to believe that if ever it was covered, it was in the context of Jesus' reincarnation

Re- The Nicene Creed, no part of it states that man will re-incarnate but will resurrect. By resurrection, according to Christian eschatology (endtime events) , happens ONLY at the time of Jesus' second coming.

[miyay]

sometimes, just sometimes, the best help you can do for a person is not to "help" at all.

true, lest you impede his/her path.

[Pein]

besides, ang doctrine of eternal damnation ba has prevented people from sinning? no pein.

humans are prone to sin. tanang tawo makasasala, pero dako kaayo deperensya ang tawong makasala sa tawong dautan...

ibalik nako nimo ang imong pangutana ha, does reincarnation prevents people from sinning?

aw wala man diay kwenta sa inyo bisan dautan pa kay para man diay sa inyo tanang sala mapasaylo mao nang dili lagi mo mahadlok mubuhat ug dautan kay mao manay pagtuo ninyo...

tsk tsk tsk!