Order Of The Hermetic Gold And Rose Cross (OHGRC) In Cebu?

[freelancers13]

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I had a very bad experience with him.... sorry!

mao bah? no need for a "sorry". you're entitled to your opinion.

[freelancers13]

Huh if its Jose L---t-n,,,then its?? sori i knw the reputation of the guy

kindly elaborate.

[flying fish]

kindly elaborate.

i know of a winged serpent in cebu before and they are not favorable of the guy

[Lovely Charm]

kindly elaborate.

my senior friend po ako na member of the original Ross Order in cebu "The Winged serpent"
He told me that since most of the members went abroad they decided to closed the group. And aside from that he said to beware of the guy name- Jose La----n. His rejected na daw from the Ross order, so any transaction coming from him using the rosicrucian is no longer legitimate

I didnt mind so much the info since the group does not concern me that time, but i guess last 2 years siguro two of my closest friend confided to me bout their disgust in attending some ross order seminar, they were so disgusted w/ the persons demeanor, specially the topic like- visualizing that you can park your car even if its fully packed? and how to attract women?
not to mentioned that the guy smoke a lot,,for a wizard to be so slave of smoking not withstanding the simple health hazard that it amy cause?

so i asked them: sino naman ang maestro na to? they said its Mr. Jose La--t-n.
so based on the reputation of my friend i think mr. jose is ma anomalya po, using the name rossicruician to his advantage

[Homo_quaeritans]

What makes someone a Rosicrucian? Is it because of their association with a particular Order? Rosicrucians are determined by what they are in their hearts and not by the organizations they belong to.
Of course, it only makes sense that joining a genuine R+C Order and following their system of study may help those who want to become Rosicrucians.



Why are there many Rosicrucian Orders, and how do I know which one is a true one? To answer this question, I would like to paraphrase Gary L. Stewart's response to a similar question.
The true Rosicrucian "Order" is what is in one's heart, meaning a true Rosicrucian can exist in any Order. The organization is merely a vehicle in which the essence of the R+C manifests. In other words, an organization, by virtue of the intent and motives of its members can tap into R+C essence and be true. By the same token, an organization can become lost if its members forget what is important. With this in mind let's look at how a Rosicrucian organization comes into being.
Rosicrucianism is a traditional and initiatic movement that sometimes solidifies into an Order or organization for a period of time. This means an individual or small group of individuals who have been properly trained and initiated into the Rosicrucian system will work together for a common purpose and objective. This is effectively how some of the Rosicrucian orders started at the beginning of the 20th century -- like AMORC, the Rosicrucian Fellowship, the original Cabbalistic Order of the Rose Cross, etc.
What truly points to authenticity of a Rosicrucian organization (besides its lineage) is the attitude expressed by that organization and its deeds. The R+C Tradition is very specific about these aspects. Therefore we can say that what makes a true Rosicrucian Order are the members, what they are in their hearts, and not the administration. The organizations, which can be likened to the physical body, tend to grow old, corrupt, and eventually die. However, it must be remembered that the tradition and initiation leading to inner self-development of the sincere individual is the Soul and Spirit of the R+C path. This is what perpetuates the Rosicrucian Movement despite what an organization does or doesn't do.
With this in mind, it shouldn't really be all that surprising that there are several Rosicrucian groups around. Some are legitimate by virtue of the attitude expressed, and that means they are open and tolerant, encourage their members to seek truth and apply it according to individual interpretation, are not oppressive, suppressive, arrogant, etc. Some are bogus because those ideals are not properly represented. To find which is which you need to feel your way around them. Some good advice would be to measure the worth of an Order by how you intuit it and by how its members respond to your queries. A genuine Order will try to answer your questions as openly and honestly as possible; they will not try to influence you one way or the other, and they will not talk down to you (as an example, "we cannot discuss such and such matter with you because you haven't studied our higher Degrees, because you are not a member, etc.").
Also, keep in mind that there are different types and lineages of Rosicrucianism and for the most part, the devisiveness comes from differences in the interpretation of R+C ontology. But the one thing which is really the earmark of true Rosicrucianism is the emphasis on freedom and personal responsibility. If you find any type of suppression of those tenets from any R+C group, then you will know that group does not represent the Rosicrucian ideal nor any of its traditional lineages.

[SEED OF LIBER]

werzz RED E. now
My regards to him.



Edited :

[bane]

I know that the Rosicrusian Order here in the Philippines was divided into two...the one Sanctioned and the other is not.... The Cebu group belongs to the unsanctioned one!

[SEED OF LIBER]

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I have no idea ....

The very important Question to be answered goes...

" Is it really true that the order was handed down here in Phil. is authentic "


it was once happen before some part in Germany Debated the Authenticity of the O.T.O.
and the high grade adeptea level authentic member call for a major Gathering to resolve
whats going on....







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[Homo_quaeritans]

I know that the Rosicrusian Order here in the Philippines was divided into two...the one Sanctioned and the other is not.... The Cebu group belongs to the unsanctioned one!

pls read my previous post. Saying things like this, is really offensive. There are Masons in this group and they are intelligent people. You think they will go for a faker? If there were disagreement between the adepts sa kanila na yun. It is the teaching that is important. if you don't like Mr. jose then by all means express it but don't hit the order. Be wise if you are truly a follower of the old path.

[Homo_quaeritans]

Q: What makes a Rosicrucian Order a genuine R+C Order?

I think the word "genuine" has been bantered about too much insofar as Rosicrucianism is concerned. With that said though, I think you would apply the same standards to an Order that you would to an individual. That being, through their actions and deeds. Don't measure the claims, measure the accomplishments. And in the process of measuring the accomplishments, also measure how those accomplishments were achieved and ensure they are consistent with an ethic that reflects the Rosicrucian spirit.



this is from...

An Interview with Gary L. Stewart,
the Imperator of a Rosicrucian Movement,
the Knight Commander of the OMCE, and
the Sovereign Grand Master of the British Martinist Order