Islam 101

[Malic]

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By the way, for the idiots out there. Not all Arabs are Muslims. Some converted to Christianity.

[patrizekirsten]

...There was, however, one striking difference between Christianity and Mohammedanism which appeared at the very beginning of both religions and continued without interruption for many centuries. Where the Christians denounced learning, the Mohammedans encouraged it. Where the Christians destroyed libraries and universities, the Mohammedans built them. Within twenty-five years after the death of Mohammed, intellectual development had become a settled principle in the system of Islam. Ali, the son-in-law of Mohammed, became a patron of arts and sciences and devoted himself to the pursuit of knowledge. When the seat of government was removed to Baghdad, a new era of intellectual development arose which had ultimately a profound influence on the whole of Europe. The first Khalif of Baghdad was a devoted student of the sciences who established many colleges of medicine and law. When Haroun-al-Raschid (hero of the Arabian Nights) came into power he ordered a school to be attached to every mosque built. He never traveled without his retinue of a hundred scholars. Sir Mark Sykes gives us an illuminating picture of Mohammedanculture under his reign:
The Imperial Court was polished, luxurious and wealthy. Every department of state had a properly regulated and well-ordered public office. Schools and colleges abounded. Philosophers, students, doctors, poets and theologians flocked to Baghdad from all parts of the civilized globe. (The Caliph's Last Message.)

While the Christians were declaring that the world is flat, the Mohammedans were teaching geography from globes in their common schools. While the Christians were touching "holy relics" in the hope of being cured of their diseases, the Mohammedans were establishing great medical colleges conducted along strictly scientific lines, with rigid entrance requirements. In these colleges physiology and hygiene were studied, and their materia medica was practically the same as ours today. Their surgeons understood the use of anaesthetics and performed some of the most difficult operations known. A description of one of these Arabian hospitals recently published by the American University at Beirut relates that the number of patients admitted often amounted to 4000 daily. Every patient when discharged received a certain sum of money and a suit of clothes. The furniture and bedding in this hospital rivalled the appointments in the palaces of the Khalif and the princes. Efficient service was assured by capable physicians, competent inspectors, educated directors and active servants who attended to all the needs of the sick.
What a contrast betweenthe condition in Mohammedan Arabia and that found in Christian Europe! When a Christian fell ill in those days, his only hope of recovery depended upon the touching of some "holy relic" carried about by the monks, for touching which a substantial fee was asked. These relics, which are described by a monk who brought some of them back from Jerusalem, show the intellectual degradation into which Europe had fallen. They included a finger of the Holy Ghost; the snout of a seraph; one of the fingernails of a cherub; one of the ribs of the Word made Flesh; some rays of the Star which led the Wise Men to the cradleof the Holy Infant; a phial containing the sweat of St. Michael which exuded during his fight with the Devil -- "all of which things," the pious monk observed, "have I brought home with me." ...

[Malic]

nice work there sir.

[Pein]

pein di ba nag discussed na ta sauna? akong hagit ra jud ninyo noh is kung tan-aw ninyo kamong mga ADD nga sakto mo, gawas mo ug ipagawas inyong leader nga among i atbang ug debate sa amo pod nga lider.

dugay na kaayo mi ug challenge ninyo pero dili man mo mosukol. sige lang ta yaw yaw diri sa istorya? lol.

tan-awa imo verse pein. ingon diha nga ang bishop dapat osa ra ang wife. Bishop pein bishop. dili ka maka mao mobasa? in effect pein kung dili ka bishop puede ka maka minyo ug daghan. okay pein so last na lang ning tubag nako nimo ha.

I hope sa sunod nimong tubag mosugot namo ug debate.

toinks! common sense pein...ang bishop dili man gani pwede makaminyo ug daghan kami pa nga ordinary members!

nakalimot naka ani nga verse moy?

Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

dili pana klaro para sa imo? every one of you in particular? wives ba ang nakabutang? hahay limtanon man diay ka oi...

about sa giingon nimo nga debate, ayaw pag inarogante moy...kamo lang dili suklan? ang nakaapan lang ninyo, ang inyong away pinatyanay maong dili mi kay dili ing ana ang among away...

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

naa nay threat kay bro eli gikan ninyo kay gisulsulan mo sa mga INC...nagpakabuta pa jud ka?

YouTube - Muslim: Nasabi ng MUSLIM kay Eli Soriano

pero kung gusto jud ka magdebate si bro eli ug inyong leader, ari diri sa US nga neutral ground ayaw sa Pilipinas kay mga hawod man mo diha...ari diri paaria imong leader...

tsk tsk tsk!

[kebotDiNaMute]

While the Christians were declaring that the world is flat, the Mohammedans were teaching geography from globes in their common schools.

Bi klarohon tani brad.
"While the Christians were declaring that the world is flat"
--- He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth
Isaiah 40:22

unsay naka flat ani brad? pakit-a ko anang mohammedans claim b... written ba. Sauce mao rajud talent aning Muslim Doctrine Daghan kaau explanation sa tawo... wala bya basis... tsk tsk tsk.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Islam actually teaches in its own holy book that its followers should make war on non believers in Islam until the world is Islamic. Then there will be world peace.

*Sigh*

The only difference is that there are moderates who don't admit it and extemists who do.

[schmuck]

Bi klarohon tani brad.
"While the Christians were declaring that the world is flat"
--- He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth
Isaiah 40:22

unsay naka flat ani brad? pakit-a ko anang mohammedans claim b... written ba. Sauce mao rajud talent aning Muslim Doctrine Daghan kaau explanation sa tawo... wala bya basis... tsk tsk tsk.

circle != sphere, yaw pataka.

a coin is a circle

[Lovely Charm]

circle != sphere, yaw pataka.

a coin is a circle

Yes thats precisely the wisdom of sis kebot, the earth is circle one side but flat in the other, that would be a very interesting shape of earth, coin like

[patrizekirsten]

Yes, a circle is not a sphere. Wether on common sense or scientific or mathematics. Well, maybe on some faith it is.

Isaiah 40:22

The Earth has pillars?!

"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"

"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)"



The Earth has Edges?!

"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"

"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"

"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"

"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"


Does Isaiah 40:22 really say that Earth is Round?

It is quite clear that the above Biblical Verses suggest and claim that the Earth is flat, has Edges, has Four Corners, has Pillars, and has Foundations. No unbiased person would deny the straight forward quotes above. Only the desperate biased Jews and Christians would.

Some desperate Christians have gone as far as presenting Isaiah 40:22 to try to prove that the Bible claims that the earth is round.

Let us look at what the Verse says:

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)"

First of all, a circle is not a ball or sphere or an egg-shaped object. A circle is a flat round surface, similar to flat rectangular, or square, or triangular surfaces. So if the Bible claims that the Earth is a circle, then this is still bogus because the earth is obviously not a flat surface.

We have two conditions here:

1- Isaiah 40:22 is claiming that the Earth is a flat circle.

2- Isaiah 40:22 is claiming that the Earth has a circle above it.

If we were to take condition #1, then we are left with a clear and irrefutable contradiction between Isaiah 40:22 and some of the Bible's verses that I mentioned above in the article, because a flat circle doesn't have "four corners", and ironically in either case, we still have a scientifically false claim about the Earth's shape.

IF we were to take condition #2, then it doesn't prove that the Earth is an egg-shaped figure, and Isaiah 40:22 surely becomes irrelevant to this subject.

One thing is for sure clear, and that is Isaiah 40:22 is obviously ambiguous and not clear if we wish to prove from it that the Earth is not flat and is egg-shaped. If we look at what the entire Bible says (as presented above by all the Verses) about the shape of the Earth as the Roman Catholic Church did in the past, then we would reach the same conclusion they reached, and that is: The Earth is Flat!

Certainly, when Christopher Columbus thought that he could reach India by going west in the Atlantic ocean instead of east as it was traditionally done, the Church in Europe was afraid that he will eventually reach the "end of the earth" and the "Edges of the earth" as the Bible clearly says above, and fall off into the space and die.

After he was able to convince the Queen that the adventure was worth the try, Christopher Columbus had survived several assassination attempts while he and his people were sailing in the ocean, because his Christian Church-believing mates were afraid and wanted to go back.

When he finally found America, he thought he reached India. That's why the North American Continent was called "India", and the Native Americans were called "Red Indians".

[schmuck]

^ what do you expect to get from the wisdom of goat herders?
good job!