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    warzone na mn ni sa mga christian vs. muslim

    manganta nalng mo ani o pra mgka-uyon mo tanan


    -Loosing my Religion-

    Life is bigger
    It's bigger than you
    And you are not me
    The lengths that I will go to
    The distance in your eyes
    Oh no I've said too much
    I set it up

    That's me in the corner
    That's me in the spotlight
    Losing my religion
    Trying to keep up with you
    And I don't know if I can do it
    Oh no I've said too much
    I haven't said enough
    I thought that I heard you laughing
    I thought that I heard you sing
    I think I thought I saw you try

    Every whisper
    Of every waking hour I'm
    Choosing my confessions
    Trying to keep an eye on you
    Like a hurt lost and blinded fool
    Oh no I've said too much
    I set it up

    Consider this
    The hint of the century
    Consider this
    The slip that brought me
    To my knees failed
    What if all these fantasies
    Come flailing around
    Now I've said too much
    I thought that I heard you laughing
    I thought that I heard you sing
    I think I thought I saw you try

    But that was just a dream
    That was just a dream

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    For those who are interested to learn Islam read the entire statement. Be free from ignorance and don't be a victim of the propaganda circulated by other groups who themselves are extremist and terrorist.


    Does Islam teach terrorism
    by Prof. Sahul Hameed


    The verse you have mentioned is from Surah At-Tawbah. It says:
    "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (At-Tawbah 9:29)

    To truly grasp the significance of this verse, we need to understand the context of the revelation of this verse. Revelations came to the Prophet, when Guidance was actually needed concerning a specific situation. The above verse, among others, is an example of this. For this reason, knowledge of the contextof revelation is absolutely necessary for the proper understanding of this verse or any verse in the Qur’an.

    Surat At-Tawbah was revealed to the Prophet in a situation when the pagans were at war with the newly organized Muslim Ummah (nation); and the Muslims were fighting them for survival. One of the issues dealt with in this verse is how to treat those who break existing treaties. The Muslims, specifically, are asked to fight those who break treaties, until they were thoroughly routed or they repented and agreed to follow the conditions imposed on them, which will ultimately be for the good of all.

    Jizyah (tribute) is a much misunderstood tax the non-Muslims were asked to pay to the government in lieu of the Muslims’ payment of zakah. By paying the jizyah non-Muslims were guaranteed protection and rights including the right to worship as they chose--as long as they did not conspire against the Islamic authority. This can be equated nowadays to ‘nationality’, or ‘citizenship’. It is important to note that many times throughout Islamic history Christians and Jews opted to pay the jizyah and live under Muslim authority rather than the other options available to them under the various empires and ruling bodies. They knew that under Islam their humanity, rights and so on were respected and protected, as long as they fell in line with the boundaries established by Islam.

    Under an Islamic government, Muslim and non-Muslim citizens are free to practice their religion and both should obey the laws of the land. If the government levied a tax only on its Muslim subjects, it would be unjust, as all are equal under the Muslim administration. At the same time, it would certainly be unjust to impose zakah on the non-Muslims; so a new tax called jizyah was introduced to balance the situation. All of us know that any government can legitimately ask its citizens to obey its laws; and a rebellious defiance of the laws of the land is not condoned by any government.

    We should remember that the Muslims were a small band of people facing total annihilation. So, [COLOR="Red"]the Prophet was compelled to fight for existence; for surviva[/COLOR]l. He was a model for his followers even in fighting a last-ditch battle. Those who believe in “the Son of God who was betrayed, bound, beaten, and crucified” obviously have difficulty in accepting a fighting prophet - a prophet who, with righteous indignation, stands up for truth and justice. Islam does not believe in a God Who was tortured, killed and left helpless to be defeated by his enemies! Where is the mercy of God, when He demands the sacrifice of an innocent person to atone for the sins of others? Can He not choose to forgive mankind Himself without exacting retribution?

    Islam is a very practical religion that encompasses all aspects of human life then and now. Therefore, when the Muslims were organized for the first time into a community in those lawless times, there had to be laws governing matters of social organization, and even rules for battle. We cannot imagine a situation where fighting is completely ruled out either.

    [B]The immediate context of the above verse is that of a “war in progress” and not a general directive.[/B] It was an attempt to motivate Muslims to defend themselves. It was in view of the extreme danger the Muslims were facing, that they were permitted to fight in the first place. The Qur’an says:
    "To those against whom war is made, permission is given [to fight], because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid;- [They are] those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- [for no cause] except that they say, "our Lord is Allah”. Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his [cause];- for verily Allah is Full of strength, Exalted in might, [Able to enforce His will]" (Al-Hajj 22:39-41).


    "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter..." (Al-Baqarah 2:190-191).

    It is clear from the above verses that when Muslims fight, it must be for the sake of truth and justice. Furthermore, the Prophet (peace be upon him) instructed his followers to maintain the utmost discipline even in battles, including avoiding injury to the innocent and using only the minimum force needed.

    Even a cursory study of the Qur'an must convince an objective student, that Islam does not permit, condone or promote violence. On the contrary, it abhors violence and allows it only in self-defense, and certainly not to obtain oil and other forms of material wealth.

    May Allah help and guide us in presenting the Truth of Islam to the world!

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    dia pa bro oh patikim pampagana bah...





    basaha ang verse 151

    tsk tsk tsk!



    Kuyawa sag Source nimo Brad
    Imo gyon ning gihago-an da!
    Mao ba Tinood ka brad.....

    Unsay Response Boss Malic Ani kaha.!

    Himo-himo ra ceguro ni nimo brad hehehe..
    Murag naay explaination ani ceguro wala lang ka ka gets.

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by SEED OF LIBER View Post
    Kuyawa sag Source nimo Brad
    Imo gyon ning gihago-an da!
    Mao ba Tinood ka brad.....

    Unsay Response Boss Malic Ani kaha.!

    Himo-himo ra ceguro ni nimo brad hehehe..
    Murag naay explaination ani ceguro wala lang ka ka gets.
    bro, kana imo avatar subra pa mn na sa suicide bomber mura mn na og giyawaan! LOL!

    ahehe!!

  5. #285
    mao na ako giingon nga mas-maau pa lagi og nagpost c bro malic about koran pra cya ang mo-explain kaysa lain na noon. ang resulta kuyaw kaau ang meaning ky "KILLING"

    @bro malic: mao jd na ako gus2 ipasabot sauna bro malic nga much better ikaw jd mo post og ikaw sb magpasabot pra dli masayop ang interpretation.

    mao nay giingon nga theres no room for regret.

    next time bro malic kung naa gus2 mo ask about sa koran verse ayaw ingna jd nga "search lang sa google" ky ang resulta mao ni ang mahitabo. experience is the best teacher

    pero dnt worry ky dli mn jd mi totally nga ni too jd sa gipang post ni pein.

    so its better to answer it in your own concept kaysa ma mislead na noon pariha ani nga sitwasyon
    Last edited by redline; 08-14-2009 at 09:38 AM.

  6. #286
    @malic: mao nga sell your religion exactly kaysa lain na nga salesman ang mo sell. ang resulta negative og mislead!

    advise lng ni nako bro ha pls dont b offend

    peace all!

  7. #287
    Peace can not be kept by force.
    It can only be achieved by understanding.
    -Albert Einstein-

  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by redline View Post
    bro, kana imo avatar subra pa mn na sa suicide bomber mura mn na og giyawaan! LOL!

    ahehe!!


    ha ha ha SALBAHIZ PAKOZ AKONG AMAHAN (LIBER777)
    usa raman to ka REVOLVER IYAHA ako kai duha gyud ba!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline View Post
    mao na ako giingon nga mas-maau pa lagi og nagpost c bro malic about koran pra cya ang mo-explain kaysa lain na noon. ang resulta kuyaw kaau ang meaning ky "KILLING"

    @bro malic: mao jd na ako gus2 ipasabot sauna bro malic nga much better ikaw jd mo post og ikaw sb magpasabot pra dli masayop ang interpretation.

    mao nay giingon nga theres no room for regret.

    next time bro malic kung naa gus2 mo ask about sa koran verse ayaw ingna jd nga "search lang sa google" ky ang resulta mao ni ang mahitabo. experience is the best teacher

    pero dnt worry ky dli mn jd mi totally nga ni too jd sa gipang post ni pein.

    so its better to answer it in your own concept kaysa ma mislead na noon parina ani nga sitwasyon

    I have no obligation red. Im not selling my religion here. and I don't care what these people say. You know why? Islam has been branded with so many names and still the stats show us that it is still the fastest growing religion in the world. Priests, pastors, Judge/s, professionals, name it, they all coming in to the fold of Islam. and remember majority of them are women.

    If this forum is the where you get your source about Islam, you will surely fail in your search. go outside of this forum, click those links provided here.

    who are these people anyway? I bet they can't even think straight. Those people who are truly knowledgeable know the difference between extremism and real Islam.

    I am not bothered by it even an inch.
    Last edited by Malic; 08-14-2009 at 09:46 AM.

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    I have no obligation red. Im not selling my religion here. and I don't care what these people say. You know why? Islam has been branded with so many names and still the stats show us that it is still the fastest growing religion in the world. Priests, pastors, Judge/s, professionals, name it, they all coming in to the fold of Islam. and remember majority of them are women.

    If this forum is the where you get your source about Islam, you will surely fail in your search. go outside of this forum, click those links provided here.

    who are these people anyway? I bet they can't even think straight. Those people who are truly knowledgeable know the difference between extremism and real Islam.

    I am not bothered by it even an inch.
    its up to u. my intention is to help u and encourage u to correct the meaning of the koran.
    dont underestimate this forum gamay lang ni pero mao niy mka misunderstood sa meaning.
    just like the termites "small but terrible"

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