Islam 101

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to all muslim bros. share mo diha..

[tatakalz]

^bro refer to this thread...

https://www.istorya.net/forums/spirit...-101-a-36.html

[kebotDiNaMute]

good that you know how to find the answers.

I can provide but I want you to look for it.

pls kebs...I can speak about my belief anywhere and anytime I want to. BTW daghan na pod ko na sulti about my beliefs e try ug dig ang mga thread kebs...


and hey, I am not into winning and losing...mao diay ni imo mentality kebs...tsk tsk...

hehehe, winning loosing is out of my scope. Wow, you speak about your baseless belief? hmmm... brad don't have time to dig up non-sense... just show it.... if there is nothing more you can show us then thats it...why is it hard to say, I don't know, or I cant answer it because im tired... what ever.... brad we don't need a 6 pages to come up with an answer to this thread. If there is just no context then its not possible to adapt something outside the content, it can but it becomes an offshoot. hmm...

and brad don't expect us to dig up your muslim info... because its not our obligation to inform... if we are not informed, then leave us to impression to think whats happening to your world. I hope this is fair.

[pigrah]

^ this wraps it all in the thread "in Islam, who is Jesus"
i balhin na lang ni tatakalz para makabalo cla...

[tatakalz]

let me share my poor attempts...

Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity:
Seeing both Religions...

Jesus is arguably the most influential and debated man in history. Not only does he play the central role in Christianity, the world’s largest religion, he also is a major figure in Islam, the world’s second largest religion. However, although Jesus plays a critical role in both Christianity and Islam, and while the Christian and Islamic views of Jesus have much in common, there also exist some significant differences between his status, role, and mission.
Firstly, a brief overview of traditional Christian views of Jesus. Most Christians believe Jesus was the son of God and the messiah; that he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary; and that he was both “fully man and fully God”. Moreover, Christians believe that although he suffered from all the temptations of a man, Jesus never sinned and that he proved his divinity with his death and resurrection. Jesus is reputed to have performed various miracles in his time including changing water into wine, healing numerous illnesses, and raising a man from the dead. A core Christian belief is that through Jesus’ death and resurrection, sinful humans have hope at salvation if they accept Jesus as their savior. Lastly, most Christians believe Jesus will return to Earth in the Second Coming and will trigger aspects of the messianic prophecy.
"Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'" (Quran 3:45-4).
Let’s begin with the birth of Jesus. Muslim sources agree that Jesus was indeed born to the Virgin Mary, through a virginal conception. The Quran claims that the Angel Gabriel visited Mary and announced to her that she would give birth to Jesus, whom God would greatly bless. Moreover, the Quran claims Jesus was able to speak while still an infant, a sign of his extraordinary status. However, Muslims claim that just because Jesus did not have a father per se, does not believe that the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ father or that Jesus was the Son of God. Muslims believe that like Adam before him, God created Jesus from “nothing”, therefore he had no father like Adam had no parents. Rather than being viewed as the Son of God, Jesus is viewed as one of the 5 greatest prophets of Islam (Along with Muhammad, Abraham, Moses, and Noah). Muslims reject the notion of the divinity of Christ as polytheism.
“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against God, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between. He created what He pleases. For God hath power over all things. (Quran 5:17)”
In Islamic theology Jesus’ mission and message was to preach monotheism and worship of God. Muslims believe God strengthened Jesus by giving him the ability to perform various miracles including the ability to breathe life into stone birds, curing numerous illness’, and raising the dead. Muslims believed God revealed the Gospel to Jesus; however, they also believe the early Christians and Jews “corrupted” the Bible both in text and interpretation, therefore the Bible we know today is different than the original Bible revealed to Jesus 2000 years ago. Muslims believes various parts of the Bible, notably those pertaining to Jesus’ divinity, were added in or altered for political and/or personal reasons by early Christians shortly after Jesus’ death.
The second biggest difference between the Christian and Muslim accounts of Jesus is that of his death and resurrection. While most Christians believe Jesus was crucified, died for humanities sins, and was resurrected three days later, Muslims blatantly reject this. Muslims do not believe in “original sin” and therefore do not believe Jesus was ever crucified for man’s sins. Instead, the Quran states that although the Romans arrested Jesus and were planning on crucifying him, God rescued Jesus and Jesus ascended to heaven without ever actually being crucified. Muslims differ on the details, but the consensus is either someone was crucified in Jesus’ place or God made it appear as if the crucifixion had gone through.
“Surely they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise. (Quran 4:157)”
Overall, Muslims reject the notion of the trinity and thereby Jesus’ divinity. Islamic texts regard Jesus as a righteous messenger of God, but reject him as being God or the begotten Son of God. Muslims believe that the Christian’s views of Jesus are the results of corruption in their scripture. Islam views Jesus as a great prophet, yet at the same time an ordinary human being who preached that salvation came through submission to God's will and worshiping God alone. Thus, Jesus is considered in Islam to have been a Muslim, as with all prophets in Islam.

Good day...

[Hellblazer 2.1]

IMO, this is the wrong place to know more about ISLAM.

first of all, MALIC is the only muslim active around here (i think). thus, if there are any credible answers to questions about islam, that's gotta be coming from him.

second, people here either get their knowledge from the INTERNET (which is expected), or at the very least, PRETEND they know something about ISLAM.

third, if you get lucky, you'd come across someone who is an expert of ISLAM which i highly doubt there are any on this board.

fourth, you'd get ridiculed by fundies who only care about JESUS AS THEIR GOD and nothing else. no matter how you argue with them---you always lose and they always win.

i'm just saying.

i appreciate what you posted sir. it speaks of a general truth and not just the truth according to one side only. the problem with some istoryans here is that they want to establish that their truth is the only truth there is, and if someone would post something different from what they believe in, they tend to invalidate that claim and INSIST on their teachings. how sad.

parehas ra na ani:
-Do you believe in Jesus?
-No.
(BANG!)
-Do you believe in Jesus?
-Yes.
-Do you believe in Jesus as God?
-No.
(BANG!)

why can't we just RESPECT what the Muslims believe? i know there are many tolerant Muslims out there who are open to the idea that Islam does not suit some other people, and they too, respect us for what we believe/not believe in.

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why can't we just RESPECT what the Christians believe? i know there are many tolerant Christians out there who are open to the idea that Christianity does not suit some other people, and they too, respect us for what we believe/not believe in.

Hell i'm just borrowing your profound words.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

no problem, hands.

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that's why i made up this thread not for debate or insult the muslim belief.

my point was, whats the description of jesus in koran? is it mentioned his miracles like healing the sick, raising the dead and his apostles too?

[Hellblazer 2.1]

as what i have read, the Muslims believe in Jesus only as a prophet and not as God. because for them, "There is no God, but Allah. And Mohammad is His Prophet." well, their qur'an speaks of Jesus' miracles too.