Jesus Cared About "Stopping War & Poverty" OR "Gays & Abortion"?

[Sinyalan]

^^ to tripwire's quote:

But we are talking about abortion here. Human abortion. This issue is always debatable to
moralist and the law makers and to everyone who is concerned. Like I said, it's the person's conviction
when doing the deed.

Let's say I'll abort ( with either i don't want this child at all or, because of health reasons)my baby now and kill my neighbor's pig. Technically, I killed both.

Is there any difference? Well, answer it and judge yourself.

What is legal is not always moral.
What is moral is not always cool and approved to many; subjective to view of right and wrong where most who view it are with their eyes closed.
what is immoral?--like Joker said, dear, it's the opposite of Moral. Moral distinctions are thus not derived from reason but from our moral sense. What we regard as vice and virtue are not qualities in and of themselves, with an objective, independent existence, but qualities in our minds. Thus, what we do about something lies within our conviction.

Can I comment on this?

Seriously ma'am, the idea of "killing" is not limited to humans only. I read the "you shall not kill" commandment but that was plainly vague commandment... there was no specific reasons as to what "killing" he was commanding for.

Let's just say a bunch of kids listening to a teacher telling them that "you shall not kill" they all sent home and one of the kids fought off his brother because he stepped on a bug. His reason, "you shall not kill"... isn't it that incomplete? Since the bible doesn't give specifics but cryptic codes, who will give an exact definition? If the one has to abort a baby for practical reasons, and both parties agreed... do yo consider that as "killing"? Moreover, the word "abortion" is not located in the bible? Morally? Do you really think that having a Criminal's child moral for you and your family?

[Sinyalan]

@Tripwire I think you are just being sarcastic with bigfoot oracle, aren't you?

We are not murderers when we kills those animals (and vegetables; courtesy of bigfoot oracle, made me lol), it is because we are not actually murdering them, we are consuming them. Let's define first the term so we may have proper margins of ideas.
Murder: Murder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Consume(eating): Eating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Killing those animals per se, has a universally accepted and naturally justified purpose, consuming, survival for the consuming organism. It has been going on for the past years since this world was created (either by evolution or creation) and it is a natural fact. Murder on the other hand has an unlawful and naturally unjustified purpose, you are taking life for a very putrid purpose, to save your a$$, which is lame.

Interesting views hands... but let me ask you this... are animals don't have the right to live? I guess not because we are the top of the food chain, correct? What happens if animals eat you first and they would say... it's moral for them because we are food. Well, there is no such things as universally accepted purpose because animals eat humans too.

Now, when you say MURDER... what exactly that means? A life taken before he/she was born or a life that is walking and breathing on its own? I had few subjects on criminology while I was there in Cebu and the latter is an example of what MURDER is.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Can I comment on this?

Seriously ma'am, the idea of "killing" is not limited to humans only. I read the "you shall not kill" commandment but that was plainly vague commandment... there was no specific reasons as to what "killing" he was commanding for.

Let's just say a bunch of kids listening to a teacher telling them that "you shall not kill" they all sent home and one of the kids fought off his brother because he stepped on a bug. His reason, "you shall not kill"... isn't it that incomplete? Since the bible doesn't give specifics but cryptic codes, who will give an exact definition if the one has to abort a baby for practical reasons? Abortion is not located in the bible? Morally? Do you really think that having a Criminal's child moral for you and your family?

Seriously ma'am, the idea of "killing" is not limited to humans only. I read the "you shall not kill" commandment but that was plainly vague commandment...
--- WRONG!
--- they killed lamb for sacrifice right? and they kept killing lamb throughout LEVITICUS.
"Honor your father and your mother"
"You shall not steal"

Analogy, If it is wrong to kill a Pig, then it is also wrong to steam from a Pig... does it make sense, of course not. The commandment if given to people not animals. Don't be an animal sinyalan and dont confuse them. Abortion is not specifically mention but Thou shall not kill is the main branch of it.

The question now lies, when do we consider a human life. The bible said starting from conception its already a life. So think about that.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Interesting views hands... but let me ask you this... are animals don't have the right to live? I guess not because we are the top of the food chain, correct? What happens if animals eat you first and they would say... it's moral for them because we are food. Well, there is no such things as universally accepted purpose because animals eat humans too.

Now, when you say MURDER... what exactly that means? A life taken before he/she was born or a life that is walking and breathing on its own? I had few subjects on criminology while I was there in Cebu and the latter is an example of what MURDER is.

Sauce jud,

Brad our belief tells us different story than you. That's because you don't have moral standard at all. Listen up.

When God Created Adam, God told adam to have dominion over everything that lives, he name the plants and animals. And God saw that Adam, he said it is not good for a man to be alone so he created eve. The thing is Everything has its purpose and everything will serve on its purpose.

Analogy:

In our ecosystem we all know soil nourishes plant, plant serve as food for animals, animals serve as food to man. So you ask do they have the RIGHT to live? Yes but they also serve the PURPOSE of that living. The big difference brad is this, YOU OMIT THE WORD PURPOSE, but we LIVE by IT.

Question: What is YOUR PURPOSE IN LIFE BRAD? well at least you eat this animals and you are living by it. So stop asking a dump question. I just told you your PURPOSE, its upto you to expand that purpose. enjoy!

[Sinyalan]

Seriously ma'am, the idea of "killing" is not limited to humans only. I read the "you shall not kill" commandment but that was plainly vague commandment...
--- WRONG!
--- they killed lamb for sacrifice right? and they kept killing lamb throughout LEVITICUS.
"Honor your father and your mother"
"You shall not steal"

Analogy, If it is wrong to kill a Pig, then it is also wrong to steam from a Pig... does it make sense, of course not. The commandment if given to people not animals. Don't be an animal sinyalan and dont confuse them. Abortion is not specifically mention but Thou shall not kill is the main branch of it.

The question now lies, when do we consider a human life. The bible said starting from conception its already a life. So think about that.

Seriously kebit, did you read your bible? "thou shall not kill" is the main branch of it? - here is where your analogy is WRONG! If you consider that as a main branch as that to abortion, then you know nothing what abortion is.

[kebotDiNaMute]

that's good to know that you have good definitions of Killing. Let me ask you, when you eat meat [posk, cow, chicken, etc...] would that consider "terminating life"? So therefore, we are killers and murderers! Correct?

BTW, Congratulations! First time mother?

hagoy trip. TRIP, after the ten commandments was given, they still continue to slaughter lamb for offering. does it mean they did not know to whom "THOU SHALL NOT KILL WAS GIVEN?" of course it is for MAN not ANIMALS. And yea animals could never understand that commandment by the way.

Well take it this way. You will be exempted if you are an animal. so its up to you.

[Sinyalan]

Kebot, do you know what slaughter means?

hahaha... ako pa nimo bro... don't pretend that you know because you're only making a fool out of yourself.

You're way out of league sa intelligence ni ms. tripwire. hahaha...

[kebotDiNaMute]

Seriously kebit, did you read your bible? "thou shall not kill" is the main branch of it? - here is where your analogy is WRONG! If you consider that as a main branch as that to abortion, then you know nothing what abortion is.

Kill means taking the life away of that living Man. So abortion? isn't it alive? Brad if you say abortion is ok, SORRY BRAD NOT IN OUR MORAL STANDARD. Yea if you want to do abortion go ahead, as long as the LAW OF THE LAND ALLOWS IT. But DONT TELL US ITS RIGHT BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER BE RIGHT FOR US AND WE ARE FIRM ABOUT IT. Thats why morality is so low because you never beleive its wrong. Well nobody is stopping you except the LAWS OF THE LAND.

Anymore argument?

[Sinyalan]

Kill means taking the life away of that living Man. So abortion? isn't it alive? Brad if you say abortion is ok, SORRY BRAD NOT IN OUR MORAL STANDARD. Yea if you want to do abortion go ahead, as long as the LAW OF THE LAND ALLOWS IT. But DONT TELL US ITS RIGHT BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER BE RIGHT FOR US AND WE ARE FIRM ABOUT IT. Thats why morality is so low because you never beleive its wrong. Well nobody is stopping you except the LAWS OF THE LAND.

Anymore argument?

Tsk... purbida oi... can you define alive? what moral mr kebot, if that child is a product of a serial rapist and a killer? Moral ba gihapon na sa pamilya o sa gi-rape? tsk... tsk... ayaw lagi ug paka-aron ingnon nga you know know it because you will get the same mistake.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Kebot, do you know what slaughter means?

hahaha... ako pa nimo bro... don't pretend that you know because you're only making a fool out of yourself.

You're way out of league sa intelligence ni ms. tripwire. hahaha...

hmmm, the problem with our thinking brad is that you can never comprehend our thinking because your moral standard is way too low and ours is way above yours....

Trip claims to be a free thinker but inclined to athiesm as i noticed... she never use the favor of the Bible to make a point except ONCE. She is practically inclined to athiesm. So if you ask me is she better than me... o yeah yes she is, am i any better... no... but we can talk.

Brad naka ad2 naka anang aslanan? mao nay gitawag slaughter house. If I ask you brad, if tawo ang gi slauther dira do you think the same ra ang perception ang place og ang environment?

Brad your problem is that you are going down to the level of the Animals... Thats how you accept your morality. Oh yeah, beastiality? you heard about it... I know you are also a porn addict... So how do you take it? right or wrong. Or is it about the money how much you are willing to do it, if the PRICE is RIGHT. hehehe! brad, gud luck anang inyo morality... it will not work for everyone either. So STOP pushing that idea of yours.