Let's talk about Mormons

[cromagnon]

ur no longer allowed to go on a mission kun naa ka anak

[maddox22]

@maddox, bro, kung married na ang member unya i-transfer cya lain ward like 4 example ad2 ka assign sa manila so looy kaau ang family nya ky malayo. or compulsory jd na cya?

dili man ka i-transfer ug lain ward nga murag i-assign ka didto. hehe... ang pag-transfer ug lain ward depende kung asa ka nag-puyo.

like for me example... pag-college nako nag-board ko sa Kamuning sa may Cebu Doc, so sa Capitol Ward ko nag-attend. Then last 2005 nibalhin mi (w/ my bro and sis) ug apartment sa Wireless Mandaue so nag-attend mi sa Lahug 5th Ward. Then now, naa man ko nag-work sa Pampanga karon and naa sa ako wife and son diri kuyog nako. So sa Mabalacat Ward Pampanga mi nag-attend.

Of course kung for example sa Kamuning lang ko gapuyo hangtod karon then sa Capitol Ward gihapon ko nag-attend karon.

Capitol Ward - ang chapel naa sa likod sa CAP building sa Jones
Lahug 5th Ward - ang chapel naa sa Lahug Salinas drive

[saijo_18]

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[saijo_18]

Mao ba tga Washington diay mo, Mao diay na ang temple sa Maryland , tan-awon sa layo mura bitaw ug Disney land . So naa na diay ka bf, sayang ... well jok ra btaw, naa lang ko nakita nimo ba, na type nko. maybe imong personality. well ur bf is lucky.

Hehehe, thanks!!! bitaw, morag amusement park dba?! Disney Land, pero di diay, temple man diay, morag naa pod pagka Taj Mahal, kay taas kaau ang center na naa'y morag fountain sa center, ang naka difference lang ang morag swimming pool sa taj mahal. heheh

For as a suggestion , since ur really curious about this temples , why not get married there and experience eternal Life. Building a family under the church is for me the best way. compared to other religion.

Even though I don't go to church that much and pray, I still believe on what I believe... I won't transfer in any religion because I don't have faith, nor I am curious of some religion.

(want to explain something, I'm not trying to argue or what... a point of view that I want to tell to other people)
I mean, no offense for others, but I know a lot of people who transfer to other religions, not just LDS, INC, or any religion... --- and every time I ask them why they transferred, they have the same answers like others --- generally speaking, they said that -- they transfer because so that their faith will strengthen, to be closer to God, and etc. -- I mean, personally, that's BS. First of all, ex. if you are a Catholic, you don't need to transfer to be closer to God and etc. Like other religion, you still have Bibles to read, stories to believe (so that your faith will be strengthen) and people who will explain to you what religion that have given by your parents.

I mean, I still don't get it, DO YOUR REALLY NEED TO TRANSFER TO OTHER RELIGION SO THAT YOU WILL BE CLOSER TO GOD?! AND TO STRENGTHEN YOUR FAITH?! -- dba?! as what I've said, we have the same Bible, although, lain lang ang stories pagka sulti, but generally, THESAME! ----- It's all matter to YOURSELF if you believe in God and his son on how you believe it, IT HAS A LOT OF WAYS (like attending prayer meetings, join some prayer group, go to church, reading the bible, etc. Tanan man naa'y ways to believe in God)!!!. on how you bring your self as what religion you have. on how you understand your religion. basta, unta na gets ko ninyo... hehehe...

+ cguro, I think that's the difference to other religions na daghan mag transfer na tao 'coz they are active to church and other stuffs... in Catholic, you are free as you want, you don't need to pay or push to attend to the mass, it's the matter of having freedom in the religion. Cguro that's the reason people transfer to other religion, but as what I've said earlier, naa ra sa imoha, on how you handle your religion... I'm just so pissed man gud to other people because ilang ga apil2x ang word na "faith" and "closer to God" as their reason ngano ni balhin cla.

I think for my own opinion --- people who transfer to other religion has NO FAITH at all (dba?! if e connect2x nimo, they transfer to other religion to strengthen their faith or to find faith?!)! for me, the word "faith" is a really big something to myself, dili nimo cya ma explain basta2x, it's like Faith is the thing to believe in God. if you don't have faith, you don't believe in God.



other explanation that I have : My boyfriend said that it's because "beliefs"
but if your goin' to explain about beliefs. I know, every religion has different beliefs... but first of all, if you don't have faith in your own religion and in your own God, you don't believe in their beliefs... you area a weak person... we have the same God, the same stories, but different lang pagka sulti, same everything... i just don't get it why they need to transfer, nagpa ila ka lang na u don't believe in God first of all.


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but in the end, after the discussion of me and my boyfriend --- we still can blame the "religion".
after all the discussion that I've written in here, and to him, he has still the point to explain to me the other side why people transfer to other religion.

- hindi maganda ang structure ng pagkaturo sa kanila kapag ganon
- kulang sa pangaral
- hindi ayos ang foundation
- kaya maraming naliligaw ng landas (ka dum2x lang ko sa LDS Website, about the ad of the "Purpose of life" lol)
- we can't blame them

After all, I think the problem is all about the "structure". People are People, they believe on what others say. you can't tie them on what you want nor push them what you want.

sorry. taas kaau akong opinion. Hehehe...

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Ur children at a young age, will already be given responsiblity sa church. They also have sunday schools. although if u have a boy at 19 he will be oblige to go on a mission and return as a Man(which what i rejected). There's actually a lot of activities. although medjo strick in u lifestyle. but im sure ull have a happy family. [/quote]

Hehehe... that's nice!!!

Yes he is an angel
and this is from wiki -
The Angel *****i (pronounced /mɒˈroʊnaɪ/) is an angel that Joseph Smith, Jr. claimed visited him on numerous occasions, beginning on September 21, 1823. The angel was the guardian of the golden plates, which Smith said were buried in a hill near his home in western New York, and which he said were the source material for the Book of Mormon. *****i is an important figure in the theology of the Latter Day Saint movement, and is featured prominently in Mormon architecture and art. Three Witnesses besides Joseph Smith said they saw *****i in 1829 visions, as did several other witnesses who each said they had their own vision.

well this is all i can see inside. i think naay mga sculpture didto na naay 7 ka cows. nag represent sa 7 weeks of famine or 7 weeks of abundance. im not sure
mormon temple inside - GOOGLE Image Search

Ahh, daan ko palagi, Angel toh'.. Angel do send messages jud... Messenger jud ni God. hehehe

speaking of interior, Again, I am Stunned by the creation and design.
Inside Mormon Temples - Mormonism, The Mormon Church, Beliefs, & Religion - MormonWiki
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Grabeh, ha, can't believe it... nindut jud kaau, dili cya basta2x... Morag Palace na sobra ka nice.
about that, do you also need to pay every month to the church like other religion?! kay grabeh baya kaayo ka nice ang church, dba ang lain religion like INC, they need to pay something %, and that money will be heading to build another church, is it thesame with you guys?! 'coz nice man jud gud pagka design sa mga temples, morag mahal jud ang gasto ba to build one. or they get it from donations and etc.?!

well just as said u can only be married in a Temple not in chappels.

very last, to clarify up my knowledge, ALL the Mormons in the Philippines was and NEED to be married in the Temple in Manila?! grabeha gud, how about if they don't have money to travel?! etc?! hehehe

U'r really streached up my knowledge on the church bisan walla nako nag active didto .
well im sure maddox knows alot more than me. Basin this would be the reason na mobalik ko pag ka theist , lol.
all i can say is OK man ang environment didto , ila lang jud kung pa missionon for 2years nga dili jud nko mabuhat. but i suggest it to others but not myself. but most return missionaries , they did experience a lot - criticism , temptation , fear etch . but when they comeback they always say the same thing na nindot kuno au sa field.

that is what you called Trials and Challenges in Life... after all the sacrifices, you will be a better person. there's no wonderful feeling that you will feel if you won't sacrifice.

@cromagnon
Asa diay ka nga ward sauna? Ana gyud na bro. Daghan gyud trials and challenges. Daghan sad ko na-experience sauna nga trials regarding keeping church standards kay sama sa imo gisulti lisud gyud. Even now I'm still struggling. Mao na'y giingon nga the more ka maduol sa simbahan the more mudaghan imo trials. But what I keep thinking is that ang importante dili ko madiscourage bisag unsa pa akong nabuhat sa past kay I know the Lord will always forgive me as long as I keep trying.

About sa temples... Naay mga photos sa interior sa temple I'm sure ma-google ra. The main purpose of an LDS temple is to perform 'higher' ordinances that cannot be performed in ordinary chapels.

Higher ordinances are (that are necessary for this life):
1. Endowment
2. Temple marriage
3. Family sealing
4. Baptism for the dead

These ordinances require a higher 'priesthood' office and authority and key to be performed.

So the temple is a place to perform these ordinances. If you would go inside the temple you would see different rooms where the said ordinances are performed. Of course there's a waiting hall, CR, dressing area, temple president's office, and other offices, etc...

But there's one thing I can say about the temple, it is holy. God is present in the temple.

That's why each member of the church is encouraged to go to the temple regularly to renew their covenants. Fortunately they are constructing a temple in Cebu now. And I think hapit na mahuman. So people in Mindanao and Visayas won't have to go to Manila.

That's nice!!! they're going to build in Cebu. asa man sad ang loc?! is bigger than in Manila? that's wonderful kaayo... naa diay ko question, allowed ba ang other tao, ex, like me to go inside the temple to see what's on it. I mean, morag tour bah, kay curious kaayo ko. I would like to hear more explanations about LDS in terms of the structural of the temples. -- I am an open minded person... Curiosity is the beginning of the knowledge. Hehehe...

one more thing :
Baptism for the dead, so before nimo e lubong, dapat mo agi sa temple?! what if wala'y temple ang place na asa ka ni puyo, is it okay in the church?! kani na lang,

what are the things that can be done in the church?!
what are also the things that can be done in the temple?! and cannot be done in the church?!

Depende ug asa ka gikan, from south or from north towards Baltimore. Kay ug gikan ka sa north heading south, makita nimo and tip sa mormon church kana ug 10 or 15 miles away ka sa border.

are you also from here somewhere?! hehehe

dili man ka i-transfer ug lain ward nga murag i-assign ka didto. hehe... ang pag-transfer ug lain ward depende kung asa ka nag-puyo.

like for me example... pag-college nako nag-board ko sa Kamuning sa may Cebu Doc, so sa Capitol Ward ko nag-attend. Then last 2005 nibalhin mi (w/ my bro and sis) ug apartment sa Wireless Mandaue so nag-attend mi sa Lahug 5th Ward. Then now, naa man ko nag-work sa Pampanga karon and naa sa ako wife and son diri kuyog nako. So sa Mabalacat Ward Pampanga mi nag-attend.

Of course kung for example sa Kamuning lang ko gapuyo hangtod karon then sa Capitol Ward gihapon ko nag-attend karon.

Capitol Ward - ang chapel naa sa likod sa CAP building sa Jones
Lahug 5th Ward - ang chapel naa sa Lahug Salinas drive

Unsa diay nang ward?! Morag group2x?! or Base?!

thank you jud sa mga nag explain! esp. to Maddox and Cromagnon.

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tnx sa info mga bro..

@maddox: bro curious lng ko ha about sa situation ni cromagnon. y mn gi-push cya og pa-mission which is maoy reason nga converted cya into atheist. nga dli mn gus2 nya nga mahimong missionary cya. or mas maau kaha paminawon kng unsa jd ang skills or talent sa isa ka member. like for example ky ang talent/skills sa isa ka member dli jd pang preach ky he/she is a good adviser or a musician or whatever. so much better cguro hatagan cya og pace kng asa cya ma fit sa community or church pra passion jd nya mo serve sa Lord. kinahanglan jd diay na nga mo mission ka but imo heart ky dli passion nimu nga mahimo ka og missionary? coz i believe each everyone of us here on earth has a unique identity nga gibuhat sa ginoo.

pls ko answer ani bro.. para malamdagan ko..

salamt

[cromagnon]

Even if i choose to go to church , not because i believe in god. but because i like to be in a spiritual environment .pero

i cant stand it , everyone magsige ug dok dok nimo ba.

- ohh brad, kanus-a man ka mag mission??

- ohh, brad ikay sunod mission ha.

- ooohh brad, pilay toy idad nimo? 22 . ohhh , 19 man dapat mag mission , pagmission na ?


mao samok bitaw , but just as most peoplei said no relgion is perfect. for religion are for people who can't cope with life's hardship and trials.

but for me there are lots of alternative ways other than religion and depending on a god.

what i see as god is myself. its a peace of energy that orchestrate the universe . the force of matter.
each of us ,have no idea what ourselves can acchieve, if einstein did it, we can, if paquiao did it we can so as all the great peopl in the past and in the future . thou shall not limit urself on what u can do.

some of the ways with couping in this scary world: self-help books, great teachers of the past, the secret , meditation, mentors , organization . -this things are no different from a religion except the absence of heaven , hell , sin , purgatory, guilt and shame.

nothing more effective than a free mind.

and no religion is higher than the truth.

[SioDenz]

im choose to to church , not because i believe in god. but because i like to be in a spiritual environment .pero

i cant stand it , everyone magsige ug dok dok nimo ba.

- ohh brad, kanus-a man ka mag mission??

- ohh, brad ikay sunod mission ha.

- ooohh brad, pilay toy idad nimo? 22 . ohhh , 19 man dapat mag mission , pagmission na ?


mao samok bitaw , but i said no relgion is perfect. for religion are for people who can't cope with life's hardship and trials.

but for me there are lots of alternative ways other than religion and depending on a god.

what i see as god is myself. each of us , dont what ourselves can acchieve. some ways of couping with this scary world: self-help books, great teachers of the past, the secret , meditation, mentors , organization . -this things are no different from a religion except the absence of heaven , hell , sin , purgatory, guilt and shame.

Di diay ka ganahan naay musugo nimu bro? or naa kay sundon sah?

I dont think religion are for people who cant cope up with lifes hardship and trials, kay if mu follow lan ka sa inyu religion daghan kaayu ug task ug rules i follow - ikaw man gani di man gani ka makatuman sa inyu dapat buhaton sa inyu religion, so its not easy to follow religion kay kinahanglan ka mu sacrifice sa imu time ug effort.

Yeah theres a lot of alternative ways but how can u be effective in other ways when u haven't prove yourself sa inyu simple ways, ways that u said only for people that cannot cope up sa life.

I think bisag unsa na path atu i choose, we should follow some rules bisag di natu gusto kay mao man nah systema sa kalibutan, ang point is if di tah ka follow sa gi ingun natu nga simple rules, unsay kasiguruan nga maka follow tah sa lain rules?

Peace...

[maddox22]

tnx sa info mga bro..

@maddox: bro curious lng ko ha about sa situation ni cromagnon. y mn gi-push cya og pa-mission which is maoy reason nga converted cya into atheist. nga dli mn gus2 nya nga mahimong missionary cya. or mas maau kaha paminawon kng unsa jd ang skills or talent sa isa ka member. like for example ky ang talent/skills sa isa ka member dli jd pang preach ky he/she is a good adviser or a musician or whatever. so much better cguro hatagan cya og pace kng asa cya ma fit sa community or church pra passion jd nya mo serve sa Lord. kinahanglan jd diay na nga mo mission ka but imo heart ky dli passion nimu nga mahimo ka og missionary? coz i believe each everyone of us here on earth has a unique identity nga gibuhat sa ginoo.

pls ko answer ani bro.. para malamdagan ko..

salamt

I think ang mas maayo mutubag ani si cromagnon mismo. For me, I think this is not the main reason why he converted to atheism.

But the church never forces anyone to do anything. That is absolutely contradicting the very important principle that the church teaches w/c is freedom to choose. I think the other members only encouraged him or talked to him about it and I think he may have gotten annoyed by it. It's a common thing among LDS members to talk to the youth like so. Sometimes dili na sad dapat. But again the church will always let the members decide for themselves.

And also, I have many friends who chose not to go to mission. They're doing just fine now. It's a personal decision.

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@SioDenz:
naka sabot ko sa side ni cromagnon.. ky like he said "im choose to to church , not because i believe in god. but because i like to be in a spiritual environment" meaning kada usa nato dli mn ta parihas og rason mga mao nangita ta og religion like what cromagnon said nga dli lang ky ni-sulod cya ana nga religion tungod mao ni mao na ky bcoz he need to find a place in his heart nga spiritual environment nga full love and peaceful people.

ako bitaw bro kng ang community ky uniformity na ang padulngan like dapat mao jd ni mao jd na og samot na daot dri daot did2 ky kita ray sak2 cla sayop. kana mawagtanang ko og gana ana.. pero dli ko atheist ha christian ko pero dli lang ko gus2 og uniformity. unity ako gipangita.

one time sa amo community naay gus2 og dapat brad and sis parihas ka ani og parihas ka ana. ni react jd ko nga wlay ingon-ani ay unique mn ta pagka-tao dapat feel free ta mo-discover kng unsa a2 skills/talent ky unique mn ta dri sa kalibotan. naa ta different gift gihatag sa GOD so pls let us discover who we are and if the time we discover what is our purpose so thats the time we serve the lord in truly deeply serve the lord.

[Homo_quaeritans]

@SioDenz:
naka sabot ko sa side ni cromagnon.. ky like he said "im choose to to church , not because i believe in god. but because i like to be in a spiritual environment" meaning kada usa nato dli mn ta parihas og rason mga mao nangita ta og religion like what cromagnon said nga dli lang ky ni-sulod cya ana nga religion tungod mao ni mao na ky bcoz he need to find a place in his heart nga spiritual environment nga full love and peaceful people.

ako bitaw bro kng ang community ky uniformity na ang padulngan like dapat mao jd ni mao jd na og samot na daot dri daot did2 ky kita ray sak2 cla sayop. kana mawagtanang ko og gana ana.. pero dli ko atheist ha christian ko pero dli lang ko gus2 og uniformity. unity ako gipangita.

one time sa amo community naay gus2 og dapat brad and sis parihas ka ani og parihas ka ana. ni react jd ko nga wlay ingon-ani ay unique mn ta pagka-tao dapat feel free ta mo-discover kng unsa a2 skills/talent ky unique mn ta dri sa kalibotan. naa ta different gift gihatag sa GOD so pls let us discover who we are and if the time we discover what is our purpose so thats the time we serve the lord in truly deeply serve the lord.

I like this. No to "uniformity", let us go for "unity".