NDF: a terrorist group or not?

[mosimos]

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Maayo ra unta manunug cila ug mga bus unya ang maapil ug kasunog ang ilang mga paryente nga nanakay. Maayo ra unta nga mangguba sila ug cell sites unya dunay emergency sa ilang familya ug mangamatay ilang pamilya nga dili katawag ug tabang kay ilang gisunog mga cell sites.

Maayo ra unta ug sa ilang pagka illegal logger, kay apil man sad na sila ana ba, mabaha-an ilang mga paryente ug mga familya ug maapil sa baha ug ibanlas.
Maayo ra unta ug bisag unsay ilang i sabotahe mosambalik sa ilaha ang ilang yawan-ong binuhatan.

Ginoo tawon dungga ang akong mga pag-ampo.

I think this post violates the conditions set by the thread starter.

to everyone..this is for the sole purpose of dissolving the issue in an intelligent or civilized way, please please avoid nitpicking remarks and wayward/OT posts pertaining to the discussion..i dont want this to end-up like the previous threads.

How can we intelligently discuss issues when people like you resort to character assassinations and cursing.

I want to join this forum but I guess most forumers are yet immature to even discuss about NDF and communism.Â* They already have preconceived ideas about NPA and NDF.

Ang nahitabo nahimo pirmi nga NPA bashing thread ang topics like this one.

Hey, grow up!

[bcasabee]

Ok....you want to discuss communism intelligently....ok...this is my pre-conceived noition about communism...it is about equality right?

Now, do you mind educating me about communist equality? Unsa man jud nang equality nga inyong giingon? And then how to implement equal sharing of economic benefits with respect to the person's abilities.....example....there are two persons....one is hopelessly bogo jud kaayo while the other person is super intelligent, under communist equality, pareha sila ug economic benefits? Sori if this question might not be intelligent enough to you...pero malipay ko kung matubag ni...

[potterboy]

the only real picture here is that both the government and them cease to maintain what the public would want for a society. in short, they've acted as terrorists for real time.

[mosimos]

Equality means equal opportunity and equal distribution of wealth. Every one must enjoy the wealth of society instead nga concentrated ra to a few people.

Ako lang ni gi explain in simple terms. Land reform for example, ngano naa mya daghan ug yuta unya ang uban wala. So atong i apod apod ug sakto para tanan maka enjoy.

Private ownership must be abolished kay mao ni hinungdan ngano naay mabintahaan.

[mosimos]

Elitism is a social sickness that is created and perpetuated by those who crave power and wealth, and who have succeeded in acquiring, maintaining, and securing power and wealth. Even though most societies treat their economic elites as success stories, they are only successful within a socially dysfunctional culture that has been shaped by the self-indulgent ambitions of the most power hungry, greedy, and ruthless people within the society, and such people can not be described as possessing well-balanced personalities. In a functional society, free of this social sickness (and even in a society with this social sickness), one who wants more than everybody else displays that one has not yet emotionally matured as much as your average 13 year old child. Such people are always going to exist (especially in a society that encourages us to be so self-interested), and they would be relatively harmless and productive members of the society provided that we don't allow them to actually have more wealth or more power than others. It is like giving alcohol to alcoholics. There is no end to their desire for more, and there is no end to the fear of losing the advantages that one has already gained.

[bcasabee]

Madawat ni sa classroom pero sa practical wala pa koy sure...equal opportunity? Let's go back to the two persons one is hopelessly bogo and the other one is super intelligent, of course the super intelligent will get all the opportunities kay ang bogo, bogo lagi, unsa pay imong mapaabot sa bogo, so ang bogo will starve and die or magrally ba hinoon, while the super intelligent kay naa niya tanan...is this fair or what under communist equality? Follow up question, how do you implement equal opportunity?

Case study part ha: Hopelessly bogo nga farmer versus super intelligent farmer...bogo nga farmer...na lugi kay bogo lagi...gibaligya ang yuta nga gihatag sa gobyerno...ang nipalit kay ang super intelligent nga farmer...ning dako iyang yuta ug ning asenso...and then ang bogo nga farmer nahimo nalang worker sa super intelligent nga farmer, is this fair under communist equal opportunity principle?

Equality means equal opportunity and equal distribution of wealth. Every one must enjoy the wealth of society instead nga concentrated ra to a few people.

Ako lang ni gi explain in simple terms. Land reform for example, ngano naa mya daghan ug yuta unya ang uban wala. So atong i apod apod ug sakto para tanan maka enjoy.

Private ownership must be abolished kay mao ni hinungdan ngano naay mabintahaan.

[mosimos]

Twisted man na imo example. In a communist society, collective ang ownership nga property. Ang hoplessly bogo ( although i dont agree nga naay tawo sama ani) ug super intelligent mag uban sa collective. Just because bright ka dili na rasun nga mas daghan imoha. ang imong ka bright i share sa uban aron tanan mabulahan.

[bcasabee]

Mao gani, gi twist nako para mura ug exagerrated gamay ba para ang punto mo lutaw pud........because bright ka dili na rasun nga mas daghan imoha. ang imong ka bright i share sa uban aron tanan mabulahan.....sakto jud...naa gani na sa Bible nga pagtulon-an di ba? Pero under communist principle regarding land reform.... (specific nalang ta ha we will use land reform case kay mao man jud ni perme ang example sa mga communist)... unsa guy ipasabot anang collective ang ownership sa yuta? Unsa may paagi ana, is it by barangay ang ownership, city, province, region or national....what I mean is, kung by barangay ang ownership, ang mga tawo nga nagpuyo ana nga barangay ang tag-iya ana nga yuta ug sila ray mabulahan same with kung by city, province, region or national? Concrete na jud ni nga example ha?

Twisted man na imo example. In a communist society, collective ang ownership nga property. Ang hoplessly bogo ( although i dont agree nga naay tawo sama ani) ug super intelligent mag uban sa collective. Just because bright ka dili na rasun nga mas daghan imoha. ang imong ka bright i share sa uban aron tanan mabulahan.

[gareb]

tolstoi:

my mistake. it's wordweb then. Â*

you cant say that when CPP-NPA collects revolutionary tax to a certain person, he/she will give it wholeheartedly and without repression..that individual will certainly give the amount for FEAR of getting killed, or its property getting burned..

the problem is this form of taxation [extortion] is a form of oppression and being considered as terrorist act bcoz like i said above it instills FEAR on the aggrieved individual..since NDF status as a group has been escalated to the terrorist list, the Hague Joint Statement will automatically be voided and therefore can't be use as circumstances for having a belligerent status.

first off, wether it be 'revolutionary tax' or our own plain tax from the BIR, the 'fear' is still there. we know the consequences of not filing correct income tax returns, etc. which is either confiscation of property or imprisonment. is this not enough reason to 'fear' not doing so? so with Wordweb calling the shots on the definition of terrorism, is BIR a terrorist group too?

that is why i believe that it is imperative that we include 'violence perpetrated against civilians' as a main clause in our definition of terrorism. if not, then we might as well include mothers 'terrorizing' little children against the mumu, abat, wakwak and what have you in our list of known terrorist.Â*

i believe there have been no reported incidents of the NPA killing people who have not paid any 'revolutionary tax'. if so, kindly provide some information regarding on this.

the consequencies being impose by the CPP-NPA are utterly horrifying and violent in form..

you can say it is 'horrifying and violent' if you do not consider the fact that excercising other forms of 'punishment' (e.g. taking into custody and imprisonment, as the GRP does things ) may also be deemed as 'kidnapping'. between destroying property and 'kidnapping', id rather have them choose the former.

i dunno where you get those AFP abuses and stuffs, whether it maybe true or not still you can file charges before the human rights commision regarding the said military scalawags...in revolutionary government this is impossible.

the abuses of the AFP and the PNP are real. i've provided the links of the US State Department Report and the United Nations Human Rights Committe Report on my first post. kindly read them. the Commission on Human Rights acknowledges if reluctantly, this fact.

with regards to your so-called 'military scalawags', well, they aren't really scalawags at all, but decorated officers. try to google the words "Palparan human rights violations", or you can try reading why Conrado de Quiros of the Inquirer calls him a "Scourge"

hmmm..i thought you have the judgment in clearing these issues?

oh yes, my opinion regarding on the matter i believe, is well formed. and it is this. i do not really care who of these contending forces will win out. what i care is that that which will win should provide for the basic structural changes that we desperately need sans the graft and corruption we currently face, provide for the basic social services (education, housing, health, land reform) and jobs, protect our industries from the ravaging effects of foreign capital and imports, a freedom of speech and to elect leaders that genuinely represent our needs and aspirations, and a general social and cultural renewal.

to be honest, as of now i cannot see that in the present set up. i doubt if anybody can.

[gareb]

people, ani lang...

Please Stick To the Topic.

the title says it plainly enough. if you want to discuss the merits or demerits of theoretical and practical communism or the revolution being led by the CPP, please do so in the designated threads. use the search tool if you cannot find 'em.

please be mature enough to follow a simple rule. whether you agree with me or not, your behavior here says quite a lot about how much credibility you have with regards to opinions you post here.

any miscreant who does not heed this warning will find him/herself awarded with the prestigious WARNED sign underneath their usernames.

thank you very much.