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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Jester
    1. From two pairs(Noah's flood story in the bible) how did we arrived the numbers of species we have today that goes by millions?

    2. Lions take Zebras and buffaloes as food, how many buffaloes and Zebras were there in the Ark? according to the bible- Noah took pairs. Are Lions vegetarians?
    The Bible explains itself

    From the young-earth Biblical perspective, of course, carnivory, or destructive predator-prey relationships, came to be as a consequence of the Fall. When nature is reformed at the return of God to His creation, to walk among His creatures that is, when "the dwelling of God is [once again] among men" (Rev. 21:3) as it was in the original creation carnivory will be no more. The lion will eat straw like the ox (Isa. 11:7, 9; 65:25). More generally, as Isaiah writes, "They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord, As the waters cover the sea" (v. 25).

    Some Christians have objected to this straightforward account in Scripture, asserting that, if it were taken to apply to the actual biological world, God would have to remake the lion or other carnivores so completely that they would be unrecognizably different animals. Thus, they interpret these (and other) passages figuratively, looking for some sense which does not require what they take to be the "complete redesign" of certain organisms.

    While of course only God Himself knows the full outlines of His new creation, we might wonder whether carnivorous animals really need to be redesigned in toto. First, many meat-eating animals can be switched, just as they are in their present form, to a strictly vegetarian diet. For instance, some dogs have subsisted almost entirely on a diet of coconut meat, sweet potato, and boiled bananas (Crandall 1964, p. 275).

    Even felids (cats) are not as strictly carnivorous as is commonly believed. Van der Pijl (1982, p. 54) has compiled numerous cases of feline herbivory, or plant-eating, such as jaguars and wild cats eating avocado, and civet cats eating all kinds of fruit. One well-known creationist (John Woodmorappe) reports that his Siamese cat, Neil, enjoyed mango and papaya, greedily eating them whenever he provided the fruits.

    Nevertheless, it is felt that the cats are such specialized and obligatory carnivores that it is unimaginable that they could be entirely vegetarian, at least without massive miraculous changes in their anatomy and physiology. However, a fascinating experiment described by Wyrwicka (1981, pp. 38-41) indicates that a minor "rewiring" of the brain may be all that will be needed to convert a cat from a carnivore to an herbivore.

    In the experiment, a female cat was wired with electrodes to stimulate her hypothalamus (a part of the brain) upon the application of an electric current. The electric current was applied so that, when the cat ate cereal, she experienced pleasure.

    After a time, the cat gave birth to kittens. Remarkably, upon their weaning, she taught them to eat cereal. Even a few months after their removal from their mother, the kittens--contrary to their supposedly innate carnivorous nature--would usually eat cereal even when given a choice between cereal and meat pellets. As Wyrwicka (1981, p. 41) notes,

    Author: John Woodmorappe
    Subject: Biology
    The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

    Isaiah 65:25

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownprose View Post
    Bro kebs...just to guide you naa nay thread ani and were heavily discussed before...https://www.istorya.net/forums/spirit...eving-123.html ...
    Brad nano ako raman imo gi ingnan na pwerte ka daghan dra evolution topics o... mostly related... hmmm!

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    kebs.. they will ban your IP if you keep on making new accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    The Bible explains itself

    where is the explanation from the bible? Isa.65:25 can be interpreted differently.


    Unbelievable! The experiment was for domestic animals not for wild lions who at the very scent of the prey would hide herself so she can perform her surprise attack effectively. You know what raw means right? You think that Lions would prefer vegetables and fruits w/c are unpalatable for them over the pleasure of a raw flesh? Lions are meat-eaters by nature. It would take time to train them to become vegetarians, if that's even possible.

  5. #15
    By the way lions have territorial behaviors. You know what that means? Imagine that, inside the ark together with other animals.

    let me help you with a visual-- YouTube - lion killing zebra in Serengeti
    YouTube - Killer Clips- Lion Attacks Zebra


    they will hunt their prey. Imagine that, inside the Ark. gobot kaayo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Jester View Post
    where is the explanation from the bible? Isa.65:25 can be interpreted differently.


    Unbelievable! The experiment was for domestic animals not for wild lions who at the very scent of the prey would hide herself so she can perform her surprise attack effectively. You know what raw means right? You think that Lions would prefer vegetables and fruits w/c are unpalatable for them over the pleasure of a raw flesh? Lions are meat-eaters by nature. It would take time to train them to become vegetarians, if that's even possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Jester View Post
    By the way lions have territorial behaviors. You know what that means? Imagine that, inside the ark together with other animals.

    let me help you with a visual-- YouTube - lion killing zebra in Serengeti
    YouTube - Killer Clips- Lion Attacks Zebra


    they will hunt their prey. Imagine that, inside the Ark. gobot kaayo.

    flood? maybe. But Ark? I think we need to consider the other story/ies.

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    Brad nano ako raman imo gi ingnan na pwerte ka daghan dra evolution topics o... mostly related... hmmm!
    bro, i have to single you out this time kay gimonopolize naman ni nimo ang forum sa imong " religious cause." if you notice, how many times did you create a thread against atheism. and then nagbuhat pa og laing account to create another thread of same theme. let's play it fair and square unta in this forum.

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    I'll watch.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by brownprose View Post
    bro, i have to single you out this time kay gimonopolize naman ni nimo ang forum sa imong " religious cause." if you notice, how many times did you create a thread against atheism. and then nagbuhat pa og laing account to create another thread of same theme. let's play it fair and square unta in this forum.
    can we pm? or we just voice this out? lets talk then

    You want my answer? because im the only one who dares to open the thread... Christians who are on this thread are living up to their belief... then lets just count how many anti-christ thread against anti-atheism thread? Brad are you Mods here? if you are then you can just PM me... not talk to me on public when it comes to violation of rules... you can talk to me.

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