If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

[bluedes]

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@bluedes

hai,,,bisan unsaon na nmo ug tulisok nang tawhana...bottom line importante lagi jd ang religion..sa akoang sabot..ang gusto ipalabas aning kebot!!..is ipapatay tanang tao or wipe out kuno kai na sold out naman jd sya sa idea nga ang tanang tao dli mabuhi ug religion so patay na...then here comes the new religion after sa kadtong mga grupo sa humans na nawipe out..PERO kaning si kebot SOLD OUT nman pd sya sa idea nga ang new generation DLI pd mabuhi kng walai religion THUS...ipa SUPRESS ang religion para eventually maanad na ang new generation....SO bottom line...huna2x ni kebot! tanang tao dli jd mabuhi ug wlai religion...

aww..
salamat for clarifying it up brad..

[Ramini]

@bluedes

akoa rman na..IM SURE lahi jd ang pag explain ni kebot sa iyahang side.

[bluedes]

@bluedes

akoa rman na..IM SURE lahi jd ang pag explain ni kebot sa iyahang side.

aww.. paaboton pud nko unsa iyang isulti..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

No, conscience exist as a reminder, knowledge will tell you what is right or wrong for it is on our knowledge that we declare what is right or wrong, knowing is perceiving, decisions arise from factors foreign to us. Conscience is innate, as you have said, a "natural" accessory of man. How can an "innate" factor be the reason for our comprehension of good or right when the goodness and the wrongness we are apprehending or trying to apprehend are outside stimulus of our perception? We need to know before we can tell what is right or wrong.

You still dont get do you ? The GOOD and BAD things we discover are the ones you are talking about the KNOWLEDGE you are blabbing about . Now you are stressing out that its your knowledge that dictates which is GOOD and which sis BAD . It is actually a comprehension of MORAL STANDARDS , now if that action is something out of the KNOWLEDGE you are taking about and you cant justify it if its right or wrong , its your CONSCIENCE that justifies it . The KNOWLEDGE never over rules the CONSCIENCE and its as simple as that .

Knowledge is dictates what is right or wrong, not consciousness.

COnsidering you knew what you are talking . How about those people without the knowledge ?

See, because they know of that commandment and because they are AWARE(Knowing) of the morals of their neighbors and of the world.

Its deep inside in them that God or w/o God , as an example , to kill a person is always wrong . You dont have to read a book and find out that killing is not a good thing to do .

IOMG! I never imagined a child knowing what is wrong and right at the very moment he was born! You can't even compose your own thinking how much more generate a second consciousness(consciousness)?!

Is that even possible? If a child knows what he is doing, of what is wrong or right, we don't need to understand them then if they commit mistakes, we need to punish them as we do with adults who knows. Are you even thinking?

Read the statement again , you are lost .

Regardless of the fact that he can't read nor right, he still knows. His/Her inability to read or write will not hinder his ability to know what is good or bad. My nanay is illeterate she can't even read the PUJ's route number, but she knows, for a fact and for 3 generations, what is right or wrong. She KNOWS and out of her conscience she reminds us.

Because her conscience is guiding her . Dont relate all knowledge as to all knowing acquired but the natural , set of morals we have the day we existed . KNowing is different from knowledge .

[kebot]

aww.. paaboton pud nko unsa iyang isulti..

Murag dili man ta mag ka sinabtanay brad ngano? d man ka maminaw gud. You take it wrong from because you only want to highlight things you want to listen. Going back to question "pede ba mo go on ang humanity without God?" i say imposibly at this time, unless next generation will not be indoctrinated by God. Kung gahi kaau ka pasabton ani brad... Bsin d ta pareho logic... its not belief na brad its standard.... I do not know...

[kebot]

@bluedes

hai,,,bisan unsaon na nmo ug tulisok nang tawhana...bottom line importante lagi jd ang religion..sa akoang sabot..ang gusto ipalabas aning kebot!!..is ipapatay tanang tao or wipe out kuno kai na sold out naman jd sya sa idea nga ang tanang tao dli mabuhi ug religion so patay na...then here comes the new religion after sa kadtong mga grupo sa humans na nawipe out..PERO kaning si kebot SOLD OUT nman pd sya sa idea nga ang new generation DLI pd mabuhi kng walai religion THUS...ipa SUPRESS ang religion para eventually maanad na ang new generation....SO bottom line...huna2x ni kebot! tanang tao dli jd mabuhi ug wlai religion...

not only me brad. You can shout ATHIESM all you want, the fact is not all are buying... you get it. So why do you have to insist against religion. Is it hard to accept that fact. I say you have to wipe the humanity para walay religion. So long as buhi ko brad, I won't accept your proposal of Athiesm because you haven't presented a convincing fact why ATHIESM...

[flying fish]

Good Question brad. For me knowing the dogma of my belief gives me a chalk line between White and Black. As for the dream of peace, of course that can be attainable for a few people... But for global peace I think the discussion of right and wrong is the first basic step to achieve Peace. If this cannot be settled then its impossible in this lifetime brad, some people just cant be indifferent about it. To remove religion in the life of people is to make a new generation that suppress religion from them... Only then the new breed will go on without God, or is it? That I do not know. One thing is certain, we cannot have peace but we can be indifferent about belief...

This is my personal opinion brad no need for further discussion about it. What about you fish? How do you percieve life without religion...

Yes i undrestand that your behavior & views are very much colored by your dogmas & beliefs; w/c i gues prompted you to think that "one thing is certain, we cannot have peace but we can be indifferent about belief", and of course this is not an exclusive attitude, everyone w/ sets of dogmas shares the same world view,
just one particular religion (w/c some does not qualify as a religion) Buddhism, they dont believe in god,,but they are not indifferent w/ other peoples belief or to be exact they are not indifferent at all, they are the most compassionate, peacefu,respectful human beings,,,its just that they dont have god/gods to back up their behavior.
They are very definite about actualizing their 8 fold noble path, w/c actually caught the admiration of both christians & non christians alike, Further what is amazing about them is that they dont talk about god but they are the most god like people you can ever see,,and i dont think they are faking their attitude just to pissed off the god based religion,

My point here brad is that the buddhist proved it already that human beings are capable of attaining peace, love & harmony minus the concept of god,
this is not an attempt to discredit your belief in god, this is just showing some historical facts that human beings are endowed w/ all the seeds of Universal values/principles, its just a matter of cultivating it, & it can be done under a god concept,scientific approach,philosophical or psychological path, and not only in religion.

[kebot]

Yes i undrestand that your behavior & views are very much colored by your dogmas & beliefs; w/c i gues prompted you to think that "one thing is certain, we cannot have peace but we can be indifferent about belief", and of course this is not an exclusive attitude, everyone w/ sets of dogmas shares the same world view,
just one particular religion (w/c some does not qualify as a religion) Buddhism, they dont believe in god,,but they are not indifferent w/ other peoples belief or to be exact they are not indifferent at all, they are the most compassionate, peacefu,respectful human beings,,,its just that they dont have god/gods to back up their behavior.
They are very definite about actualizing their 8 fold noble path, w/c actually caught the admiration of both christians & non christians alike, Further what is amazing about them is that they dont talk about god but they are the most god like people you can ever see,,and i dont think they are faking their attitude just to pissed off the god based religion,

My point here brad is that the buddhist proved it already that human beings are capable of attaining peace, love & harmony minus the concept of god,
this is not an attempt to discredit your belief in god, this is just showing some historical facts that human beings are endowed w/ all the seeds of Universal values/principles, its just a matter of cultivating it, & it can be done under a god concept,scientific approach,philosophical or psychological path, and not only in religion.

Yea, their concept of religion is "you are god and i am god". PEOPLE BEHAVES WHAT THEY BELIEVE. so you are asking people to become Buddhist? I said it before brad if I were to choose my religion except the current one I'd rather choose Buddhism. But I am happy where I am now. You just cannot take this happiness away from me brad because I know this is for me. I am the captain of my soul. Being indifferent is the only thing I can be neutral. Its not that I am closed minded brad, or you may call me whatever... I don't care.. I read a lot about any other religion brad. But they all have flaws to me... This is my decision brad and I found peace and joy with it... What more could I ask for?

[bluedes]

Murag dili man ta mag ka sinabtanay brad ngano? d man ka maminaw gud. You take it wrong from because you only want to highlight things you want to listen. Going back to question "pede ba mo go on ang humanity without God?" i say imposibly at this time, unless next generation will not be indoctrinated by God. Kung gahi kaau ka pasabton ani brad... Bsin d ta pareho logic... its not belief na brad its standard.... I do not know...

ambot lng brad.. its a simple basic question of pwede ba ang humanity without God..
ngano lisud-lisuron man na oi..

unsay gahi brad?

standard? people believe in forces greater than themselves, that's the standard. but God? kanang divine God? that's a very uncommon concept.. kanang gipangtuohan sa mga major religions karon, like christianity, islam, judaism, puro na cultural idols.. the god they fashion their minds into...

basig lahi ra jud ta ug pasabot siguro brad.. d na lng ta magstorya ani..

[Hellblazer 2.1]

good evening, mr.fish.