N. Korea's continued defiance of the UN Security Council

[Tarmac]

You speak like a Whitehouse insider bai

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You don't need to be a White House insider to know that Obama has a more nuanced grasp of international issues and world relations than his predecessor, who only saw things in black and white. Witness his speech in Cairo a couple of weeks ago.

So are the UNITED NATIONS and btw ... you are referring to a historical event that is 30 years old .

Correction, a historical event that is 58 years old. How can the Korean War not be relevant to the issue here? It is the ROOT of the entire problem. The Korean War has yet to end. A ceasefire was declared but no peace agreement was ever signed. Technically, the two Koreas are still at war. So this is hardly irrelevant.

And just because China's involvement was 58 years ago, it does not change things. China is still a major stakeholder here, now more than ever when North Korea has become its--and not Moscow's--client state.

True but we have to consider also on Chinas position in the map as a strategic location when talking about NUKES and the interest behnd it .

Huh? Do explain. Because I'm thinking you and I are saying the same thing.

Nobody wants war but I tell you that Uncle Sam can give hell to Nokor .

How? Short of war? We know very well economic sanctions won't hurt Kim, only the ordinary North Korean. Do you mean the United States should go to war on the back of silly utterances made by an idiot? If the United States went to war for every time another country's leader said it would make trouble for it, it'd find itself engaged in every continent in the world. Just because Kim has the capability to launch nuclear weapons does not mean he will. Not even Stalin, a certified madman who didn't think twice about murdering his own people by the millions, dared send nuclear bombers to the United States. Not even Kruschev, a demagogue, dared start war with the United States despite strongly worded speeches.

For sure, Kim must be disarmed and his nuclear ambitions reined in. But it's not as easy as using military force at this point in time. It must be a very perplexing puzzle for liberals like Obama. Neo-cons would simply say "bomb him to hell."

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There is no way Nokor could reach the US territory even Hawaii or Alaska.. Probably Guam since it has a US base in there...

Their missile technology is not yet capable.

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Sure, Kim must be disarmed but it's not as easy as using military force at this point in time. It must be a very perplexing puzzle for liberals like Obama. Neo-cons would simply say "bomb him to hell."

Thats impossible unless a regime change in Nokor.

[markokintolimbo]

nokor naa na cla determination kay na adapt nila ang style sa japanese u can imagine dat almost 50 years cla nahimo slaves sa mga japanese mao nga superior jud na cla karun tungod sa kultura natabang sa hapon mao na advance cla karun....

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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You don't need to be a White House insider to know that Obama has a more nuanced grasp of international issues and world relations than his predecessor, who only saw things in black and white. Witness his speech in Cairo a couple of weeks ago.

Like I said , all we can do is speculate . He is fresh from the farm . He needs leverage , check him out on his second term if he will be still in the WHite House . I speculated myself because these are games played by the big boys bai . Just because a speech was witnessed doesnt make the cut . Though you have basis of what you said but then again its not proof of what you are trying to lay down .

Correction, a historical event that is 58 years old. How can the Korean War not be relevant to the issue here? It is the ROOT of the entire problem. The Korean War has yet to end. A ceasefire was declared but no peace agreement was ever signed. Technically, the two Koreas are still at war. So this is hardly irrelevant.

My bad ... I was referring to the Vietnam War . Thats the whole point , what took them so long to erase South Korea and instead they are barking at the wrong tree ?

And just because China's involvement was 58 years ago, it does not change things. China is still a major stakeholder here, now more than ever when North Korea has become its--and not Moscow's--client state.

Of course .... war is business . Business is good . Not the NUKE WAR though but then it is something worth messing with since they know its not gonna happen in the first place .

Huh? Do explain. Because I'm thinking you and I are saying the same thing.

If you are thinking of China as also a key player then yes but I was pointing out that China is gonna be careful also since they may have more than half of the economy and it will affect them big time . Dili na sila basta basta maka laban lang sa Korea .

How? Short of war? We know very well economic sanctions won't hurt Kim, only the ordinary North Korean. Do you mean the United States should go to war on the back of silly utterances made by an idiot? If the United States went to war for every time another country's leader said it would make trouble for it, it'd find itself engaged in every continent in the world. Just because Kim has the capability to launch nuclear weapons does not mean he will. Not even Stalin, a certified madman who didn't think twice about murdering his own people by the millions, dared send nuclear bombers to the United States. Not even Kruschev, a demagogue, dared start war with the United States despite strongly worded speeches.

Cause and effect . Its as simple as that . " Dont tread on me " ... familiar with it ?

For sure, Kim must be disarmed and his nuclear ambitions reined in. But it's not as easy as using military force at this point in time. It must be a very perplexing puzzle for liberals like Obama. Neo-cons would simply say "bomb him to hell."

Like I said .... war is the LAST RESORT but if it takes for it to be utilized , its not gonna be a NUKE WAR at all . Even if Kim is capable of but we all know that he is not but its an issue of he CANT but he WONT and it just looks like that . Afterall ... he is smart playing the games of a smarter player .

[Tarmac]

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[Tarmac]

Like I said .... war is the LAST RESORT but if it takes for it to be utilized , its not gonna be a NUKE WAR at all . Even if Kim is capable of but we all know that he is not but its an issue of he CANT but he WONT and it just looks like that . Afterall ... he is smart playing the games of a smarter player .

Mao lagi bai, maayo pa mga Israeli. Gi air strike ang nuclear reactor sa Iraq (1981), bahala na unsa ang reaction sa uban. Otherwise, nuclear power na unta si Saddam. Pagka 2007, gi air strike pud ang suspected nuclear stockpile sa Syria (although the report was never really confirmed because Syria never reacted).

Of course there's a big difference. Retaliation for any Israeli military action would be carried out against Israel itself. Retaliation for any US military action on North Korea would be carried out South Korea and possibly Japan, not the United States homeland. Naay ma amung.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Mao lagi bai, maayo pa mga Israeli. Gi air strike ang nuclear reactor sa Iraq (1981), bahala na unsa ang reaction sa uban. Otherwise, nuclear power na unta si Saddam. Pagka 2007, gi air strike pud ang suspected nuclear stockpile sa Syria (although the report was never really confirmed because Syria never reacted).

That would be more feasible kay the nuke activities was ongoing since 1981 and that is almost 30 years ago . Indeed the Butcher will be a stronghold to reckon with .

Of course there's a big difference. Retaliation for any Israeli military action would be carried out against Israel itself. Retaliation for any US military action on North Korea would be carried out South Korea and possibly Japan, not the United States homeland. Naay ma amung.

Its the reason why ni gara si Kim . The US cant afford more casualties both ally and enemies ( people regard the North Koreans na ordinary citizens as enemies but actualy dili )kay sakto na ang Iraq and Afghanistan .

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Its the reason why ni gara si Kim . The US cant afford more casualties both ally and enemies ( people regard the North Koreans na ordinary citizens as enemies but actualy dili )kay sakto na ang Iraq and Afghanistan .

Overstretch na ang US Military.. they cant afford to open a third front..

[Dorothea]

Ka kuyaw ninyo oi, mura man mo'g mga military and political analysts. Anyways, I think medyo na divert ning attention sa mga North Koreans coz I am convinced that they too are mourning the loss of Michael Jackson.