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    Quote Originally Posted by LIBER777 View Post
    Sages and seers in ancient times who spoke of the spiritual side of nature gained their insight by moving beyond the confines of the rational physical world. In a similar way to the principles of Godels theorem the ancient mystics gained access by deep meditation to a perspective beyond the physical in order to attain a more complete picture of the physical realm.
    Your responses border on mysticism. While we do encourage healthy debates on scientific issues in this section, the introduction of things pertaining to spirtuality, mysticism, and the supernatural in a forum that wishes to discuss the the natural world using the principles of science, and the scientific method, has the potential to morph into a thread that encourages endless spirituality/religion vs. science debates and arguments. Even if your intentions may be benign/noble, I do advise you to steer away from posting topics such as these, to curtail the possibility of such an argument from occuring. There is a section of iStorya.net that caters more to posts of this nature, and I encourage you to continue that mode of discussion in that subforum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownprose View Post
    ^^ which also humors me to the idea that if light has a momentum, does a shadow also have a momentum?
    In a way, yes. Light has momentum but it can be very small to be felt. But on a smaller scale, it can be used to to trap smaller objects like biological cells using light's momentum which can produce a trapping force. They call it Optical Trapping of Optical Tweezers. It is very very useful in biology. Yesterday, I was just watching a master thesis presentation of MSc student 1 year ahead of me. His topic was to use the light trapping force through its momentum using two optical fibers and use Ramam Spectroscopy to identify the contents of any target Biological Cell he wanted. It was very interesting. This is one of the consequences of the light's momentum.
    Optical tweezers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by fritzd View Post
    I agree. That is what i believe also. It is also the reason why Albert Einstein is one of my favorite physicists aside from Richard Feynman.
    i have something like an anecdote from Feynman. this is taken from the book Perfect Symmetry by H. Pagels. page 389.

    Feynman, perpetually curious, will try almost anything to
    explore reality. He tells the following story: He was in a
    sensory-deprivation tank and had an exosomatic
    experience—he felt that he came "out of his body" and saw
    the body lying before him. To test the reality of his
    experience he tried moving his arm, and indeed he saw his
    arm on his body move. As he described this, he said he then
    became concerned that he might remain out of his body and
    decided to return to it. After he concluded his story, I asked
    him what he made of his unusual experience. Feynman
    replied with the observational precision of a true scientist: "I
    didn't see no laws of physics getting violated." Indeed, the
    reliable accounts of such experiences that I have read, as
    well as my own experience, confirm his perception: "out-ofthe-
    body" experiences no more violate physical laws than
    does the experience of dreaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIBER777 View Post
    Sages and seers in ancient times who spoke of the spiritual side of nature gained their insight by moving beyond the confines of the rational physical world. In a similar way to the principles of Godels theorem the ancient mystics gained access by deep meditation to a perspective beyond the physical in order to attain a more complete picture of the physical realm.
    yes. one cant even accurately tell if the quote was from a mystic or a physicist. maybe Einstein had a mystical experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanschen View Post
    yes. one cant even accurately tell if the quote was from a mystic or a physicist. maybe Einstein had a mystical experience.
    Please read post #41. Thank you.

    -RODION

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