If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

[kebot]

people have an inherent sense of right and wrong.. i think di na na kailangan i-believe pa.. its our tool for survival, to discriminate between what is good or bad for you..

now the question whether God or who should govern that right and wrong, that's another story..

Who Governs, I guess most Athiest said they can by themselves, we are doing fine without God... This is just my opinion. I think we have to determine the LIMIT of this RIGHT AND WRONG. I mean When is RIGHT BECOMES WRONG and WHEN IS WRONG BECOMES RIGHT there is a very fine thread among the two. Any doctrine based on principles that supports this justification? ATHIEST do you have one you can share... IT would be nice if you share.. I wont counter posts...

[bluedes]

Who Governs, I guess most Athiest said they can by themselves, we are doing fine without God... This is just my opinion. I think we have to determine the LIMIT of this RIGHT AND WRONG. I mean When is RIGHT BECOMES WRONG and WHEN IS WRONG BECOMES RIGHT there is a very fine thread among the two. Any doctrine based on principles that supports this justification? ATHIEST do you have one you can share... IT would be nice if you share.. I wont counter posts...

i'm not an atheist bro, but the question of who governs is a dangerous question..
let me ask you these questions:

1.) You ask "Who governs", right? Who is the asker, and why is he asking?
2.) So when you determine the answer to question 1, does it apply to everyone else?

[herp_doctor]

"Mr. Common Sense" judges what's right and what's wrong..

[kebot]

i'm not an atheist bro, but the question of who governs is a dangerous question..
let me ask you these questions:

1.) You ask "Who governs", right? Who is the asker, and why is he asking?
2.) So when you determine the answer to question 1, does it apply to everyone else?

I think you miss the point. Just remember that on almost everything there is a limit. Take a look at these mercinaries, cge pamatay diri cebu. Does it mean they are right? Is he justified because naka benefit ta sa iyang gi buhat? or is it? This is an example of how we should check the boundaries. Actually he is govern by his own belief.

Remember that people behaves on what they believe in.

[bluedes]

I think you miss the point. Just remember that on almost everything there is a limit. Take a look at these mercinaries, cge pamatay diri cebu. Does it mean they are right? Is he justified because naka benefit ta sa iyang gi buhat? or is it? This is an example of how we should check the boundaries. Actually he is govern by his own belief.

Remember that people behaves on what they believe in.

you did not answer my question brad.. my point is right on your topic.. Who Governs, diba? its also important to know who is being governed..

anyway, daghan na kaau ni branch out ang discussion oist, naglibog na ko unsa istoryahan about..

[sizz-lorr]

to kebot,

[flying fish]

to kebot,

i think EPICURUS is not a victim of automation

[SORBETES]

Okay.

It's true, religion is not the only factor in determining which countries are the "most livable".

But since it was brought up, and examples were presented, let me just say that these countries who topped the "most livable" countries for the year 2007 / 2008 which are:

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Ireland
6. Sweden
7. Switzerland
8. Japan

are not based on religion and how it affected crime rate, poverty, or corruption.

The countries were ranked according to their Human Development Index, which includes life expectancy, literacy, GDP per capita, educational attainment, cost of living, and so on and so forth.

Religion has nothing to do with the ranking of these countries. Religion does not dictate whether or not the country is "most livable". So, I don't see how the example is relevant.

With regards to the topic, I think that "right and wrong" is subjective, which coincides with bluedes ideas on the two questions he raised (correct me if i took it differently). It depends on who's asking the question, and whether or not the answer is applicable to all. It all boils down to what we believe in.

I personally like the Social Contract Theory that was also mentioned here in this thread. The thread started out as a very interesting and intellectual thread. I learned a lot from it. Let's keep it that way.

[flying fish]

BUDDHIST, to most of them live life treading the path of goodness & compassion, justice & fairness w/o any dependence of a god, & its working, they are peaceful luving individuals,,not just to humans but to animals as well,,

[Hellblazer 2.1]

BUDDHIST, to most of them live life treading the path of goodness & compassion, justice & fairness w/o any dependence of a god, & its working, they are peaceful luving individuals,,not just to humans but to animals as well,,

mr.fish, may i be like the native american indians like Don Juan Matus? their wisdom and way of life may seem crude to most people in the world, but theirs is a profound way of looking at the world.