Athiesm is dangerous

[dartzed]

The article doesn't say anything dangerous about atheism it in fact criticizes theists for taking atheism wrongly. Anyways, talk about dangers...history teaches us that there were more "theist-related" killings than atheist-related killings. Also, looking at criminal stats, you will be surprised that god-believing people kill more people than those who do not believe in God at all.

By the way, mosquitoes have killed more people than atheists. Think about it.

Religion is not safe either.

for people desire peace soo much killing/war/etc is its price, it's inevitable..

and for those people who didn't play such role on attaining peace they hide their tails between their legs and critisize those who are trying to obtain peace..

i pity them such bunch of cowards!..

[sizz-lorr]

Some Articles about Dangers of Athiesm : click Failures of Atheism: Does Atheism Do Less for People than Theism, Religion?

Everyone is entitled to know. Please read up if the doctrine of Atheism is for you. ITS NEVER FOR ME.

i highly doubt you've read the link you provided. the link tells you the common MYTH's regarding atheism...judging from your drama over the other thread. it would be more HELPFUL for you.

*just for fun:

i believe the thread starter got bitch slapped by a resident atheist here, and as a desperate form of retaliation started this thread...what better search: failures of atheism, try googling it yourselves first hit links to the one posted here.

unfortunately, the link doesnt really speak much about the failures of atheism.



hey kebot, you could have prevented this if you only READ the link you posted.hahha

fundamentalist atheist is dangerous coz they believe in nothing. no law no commandments to follow.

hey, thats one of the MYTHS the link tried to explain:
response:
Theism & Morality

Now religious theists are certainly entitled to insist that, without orders, they have no good reason to refrain from rape and murder or to help people in need — if the actual suffering of others is completely irrelevant to them, then we should all hope that they continue to believe that they are receiving divine orders to be "good." However irrational or unfounded theism may be, it's preferable that people hold on to these beliefs than that they go around acting on their genuine and sociopathic attitudes. The rest of us, however, are under no obligation to accept the same premises as they — and it probably wouldn't be a good idea to try. If the rest of us are able to behave morally without orders or threats from gods, then we should continue to do so and not be dragged down to others' level.
Morally speaking, it really shouldn't matter whether any gods exist or not — the happiness and suffering of others should play an important role in our decision making either way. The existence of this or that god could, in theory, also have an impact upon our decisions — it all really depends upon how this "god" is defined. When you get right down to it, though, the existence of a god can't make it right to cause people suffering or make it wrong to cause people to be more happy. If a person is not a sociopath and is genuinely moral, such that the happiness and suffering of others really matters to them, then neither the presence nor absence of any gods will fundamentally change anything for them in terms of moral decisions.

[maddox22]

What kind of crime would that be? Surely if it's a crime people would get hurt, personal belongings would get lost. People would ask questions and eventually the culprit would be figured out sooner or later.



"Do not do unto others what others don't want to do unto you" more or less is the basic principle that atheists follow.

I think you mean "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

Are you sure all atheists have this creed? Do you have an organization? Do you meet and talk among yourselves to set this as your creed? Do you have any written document that bears this as the principle that you follow?

No?

Then do you realize that you are subject to your own personal interpretation of what is good and bad? Do you realize the unreliability and instability of that kind of society?

Don't you think if not for the theists you would all be in anarchy?

[brownprose]

Exactly you said it right. but the question is, is it really because of religion that they are killing of? is your criminal stats really tells that those god believing people commits murder because of religion? or religion related case?

For the many wars that have been fought, yes religion has something to do with it. Let me give you a few examples:

In 16th Century, Protestant vs. Catholics ~ Wars of Religion (French Wars of Religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
17th Century, Catholics vs. Calvinism ~ Thirty Year Wars (Thirty Years' War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Indo-Pakistani Partition in 1947 (Indo-Pakistani War of 1947 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

I don't need to mention the killings brought about by the Inquisition; I don't need to mention the deaths brought about by the Reformation in Germany and nearby regions; I don't need to mention the wars being wage against the "infidels" by Muslim extremists; I don't need to mention the war waged against the Dalai Lama by the Chinese government; I don't need to mention the deaths brought about by the religious war in Northern Ireland and so on...

About the criminal stats, all I'm saying is that one cannot be safe even if the person is a god-believer. Another insight that we can glean from the same stat is that -- it seems that atheists are more law-abiding than believers. If you talk about danger, stat-wise, you are likely safer with atheists than a self-declared god believer...but stats are just stats...it can never be 100% reliable, but it's a good tool nonetheless for decision-making.

It makes you wonder that if believing in God would make us a better person, the behavior of many god-believing people tells us otherwise.

[necrotic freak]

"Do not do unto others what others don't want to do unto you" more or less is the basic principle that atheists follow.

may i ask you also, did the believers harm you? or did they violated your rights to choose? is that the reason you bring up this principle?

even theists followed that principle.. btw, how few atheists followed this principle?

[maddox22]

The article doesn't say anything dangerous about atheism it in fact criticizes theists for taking atheism wrongly. Anyways, talk about dangers...history teaches us that there were more "theist-related" killings than atheist-related killings. Also, looking at criminal stats, you will be surprised that god-believing people kill more people than those who do not believe in God at all.

By the way, mosquitoes have killed more people than atheists. Think about it.

Religion is not safe either.

Another wrong comparison.

You are getting statistics from a history that is majorly populated by theists. Since Adam people had religion. Even for pagans who worshiped the sun, rocks, moon, etc... Atheism did not come around until somewhere around the Renaissance. If we calculate atheism's existence, that's only about less than 5% of the whole history of the human race.

Of course a lot of things happened throughout history good and bad. But to say that there has been more theist killings that atheist is absurd. I don't think the human race could ever survive with the absence of religion and belief of a God. It would be anarchy, chaos, confusion. There will be no progression and development because each person will eventually tend to his own needs. His needs would eventually overpower his concern for others' benefits - unless he considers this life as a temporary state and there is life after this where he will be rewarded according to what he's done here.

[tarpolano]

I think you mean "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

Are you sure all atheists have this creed? Do you have an organization? Do you meet and talk among yourselves to set this as your creed? Do you have any written document that bears this as the principle that you follow?

No?

I must admit that atheists doesn't have this set on stone. But, that is what we follow.

Then do you realize that you are subject to your own personal interpretation of what is good and bad? Do you realize the unreliability and instability of that kind of society?

Don't you think if not for the theists you would all be in anarchy?

Yes, I do realize that Good and Bad is highly subjective and situational. The thing here is how the individual will process the situation and resources that is/are at his disposal so that he be able to come up with a logical and right decision. Why would a logical and reasonable decision be unreliable?

It's the theists themselves that are divided, kept on killing each other on who has the all powerful god.

[maddox22]

Why would a logical and reasonable decision be unreliable?

[SARCASM]Maybe because we are imperfect?[/SARCASM]

What may be logical for you may not be logical for me. Haven't you thought about that? How often does that happen? uh... A lot!

It's the theists themselves that are divided, kept on killing each other on who has the all powerful god.

Again this comparison. History has been dominated by theism. Atheism came around late. You don't even have an official congregation yet. So don't compare. Because if the situation was reverse and atheism dominated history, I don't think the human race would even make it to 100 years.

[brownprose]

Another wrong comparison.

You are getting statistics from a history that is majorly populated by theists. Since Adam people had religion. Even for pagans who worshiped the sun, rocks, moon, etc... Atheism did not come around until somewhere around the Renaissance. If we calculate atheism's existence, that's only about less than 5% of the whole history of the human race.

Of course a lot of things happened throughout history good and bad. But to say that there has been more theist killings that atheist is absurd. I don't think the human race could ever survive with the absence of religion and belief of a God. It would be anarchy, chaos, confusion. There will be no progression and development because each person will eventually tend to his own needs. His needs would eventually overpower his concern for others' benefits.

It was not meant to compare. It was meant to dispel the bias against atheists. I know my stats and I didn't ask anyone to take it as an absolute fact with reference to past and present demographics.

If you take those facts/stats with a grain of salt against the thread title, you'd know what I mean. But to spare you with the thinking, all I'm saying is that, religion is no guarantee that you're in safe hands. And speaking from my own personal experience, I have atheist friends who behave like they have a god than those people I see in church regularly.

[maddox22]

religion is no guarantee that you're in safe hands.

I would have to say yes there is no guarantee of absolute safety, even peace, in a theist world, but so does in an atheist world.

And speaking from my own personal experience, I have atheist friends who behave like they have a god than those people I see in church regularly.

I'm sorry if I seem to be argumentative about this but again I see a comparison being made. How many atheists do you know? How many theists? Again it's not correct to make a comparison out of that. If I were to count every single theist and atheist in the world who is pious and good, the number of theists would be about a thousand times more than the number of atheists.