Of course a historical Jesus may have existed, perhaps based loosely on a living human even though his actual history got lost, but this amounts to nothing but speculation. However we do have an abundance of evidence supporting the mythical evolution of Jesus. Virtually every detail in the gospel stories occurred in pagan and/or Hebrew stories, long before the advent of Christianity. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus "the Christ." We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus.
So if you hear anyone who claims to have evidence for a witness of a historical Jesus, simply ask for the author's birth date. Anyone who's birth occurred after an event cannot serve as an eyewitness, nor can their words alone serve as evidence for that event.
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06-10-2009, 02:57 PM #501
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06-10-2009, 03:14 PM #502Elite Member
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Originally Posted by regnauld
Of course a historical Jesus may have existed, perhaps based loosely on a living human even though his actual history got lost, but this amounts to nothing but speculation. However we do have an abundance of evidence supporting the mythical evolution of Jesus. Virtually every detail in the gospel stories occurred in pagan and/or Hebrew stories, long before the advent of Christianity. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus "the Christ." We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus.
So if you hear anyone who claims to have evidence for a witness of a historical Jesus, simply ask for the author's birth date. Anyone who's birth occurred after an event cannot serve as an eyewitness, nor can their words alone serve as evidence for that event.
Faith is all there is
facts, a ploy of the devil
history, a confusion to our unwavering trust in god
just submmit yourself to god(of course the god in the holy bible) and
everything will be provided, no. 1 in the list: SALAVATION, Place: HEAVEN
So, repent now & stop reading other books, or you may read them but keep in mind that it shouldnt opposed to the holy bibles scriptures, cause if its against the holy book, then your inviting satan in your life
stop considering science, cause scientist are men, who made them? god, who made god? men, i mean men who claims to be the eyewitness of god, & we should put trust in them because they have seen god,
so be god the center of your life regnauld,anthropomiphic god to be exact, you cnt have eye witness for a pantheistic god, for that would make you a god as wellLast edited by flying fish; 06-10-2009 at 03:16 PM.
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06-10-2009, 03:20 PM #503
Yes, let us Repent and accept Jesus as our personal savior or else we will be condemned! Originally Posted by flying fish
I think Flying Fish if we could only reflect that this Jesus as our personal savior was meant symbolically like in Gnosticism that salvation is basically AWAKENING then, it is very ENLIGHTENING and very comforting that Jesus is actually our personal story!
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06-10-2009, 03:34 PM #504Elite Member
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Originally Posted by regnauld
Yes, let us Repent and accept Jesus as our personal savior or else we will be condemned!
I think Flying Fish if we could only reflect that this Jesus as our personal savior was meant symbolically like in Gnosticism that salvation is basically AWAKENING then, it is very ENLIGHTENING and very comforting that Jesus is actually our personal story!
no need for reflection because its clear its not symbolical, gnosticism is evil, invented by men, men w/ dicks,
Jesus is jesus, your storey is your own storey,
men of thinkers will always fail
my god can never fail, maybe the only failure that god did is to make men like you who does not believe in him
And im telling you all thse divine truths because i have my own history, of eye witnesses who saw jesus, and i have trust in them, because of my faith
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06-10-2009, 03:40 PM #505
I surrender nalang to your god Flying Fish and stop questioning the Catmatic I mean the Dogmatic teachings of the church! Originally Posted by flying fish
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06-10-2009, 03:50 PM #506Elite Member
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Originally Posted by regnauld
Yes, let us Repent and accept Jesus as our personal savior or else we will be condemned!
I think Flying Fish if we could only reflect that this Jesus as our personal savior was meant symbolically like in Gnosticism that salvation is basically AWAKENING then, it is very ENLIGHTENING and very comforting that Jesus is actually our personal story! Originally Posted by regnauld
I surrender nalang to your god Flying Fish and stop questioning the Catmatic I mean the Dogmatic teachings of the church!
just to make things clear, surrender to my biblical god,
not to me cause im just his faithfull servant,
VENGENCE IS MINE SAYETH THE LORD!!!! hope that biblical verse wil inspire your confused soul to go back to jesus,,
VENGENCE IS MINE!
Peace
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06-10-2009, 03:54 PM #507
Do you believe in God? No. BANG!!! Originally Posted by flying fish
Do you believe in God? yes. Do you believe in my GOD? No. BANG!!!
- Geroge Carlin (1937-2008 )
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06-10-2009, 04:46 PM #508
oh, so what then produces historical fact? Originally Posted by regnauld
Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality. For example, consider some of the bogus claims that supposedly come from many eyewitness accounts of alien extraterrestrials and their space craft. They not only assert eyewitnesses but present blurry photos to boot! If we can question these accounts, then why should we not question claims that come from hearsay even more? Moreover, consider that the hearsay comes from ancient and unknown people that no longer live.
Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds. We have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus but if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable eyewitness accounts.
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06-10-2009, 05:12 PM #509
Faith is not based on evidence nor is it a knowledge common to certain people who share the same faith, there are people who has the same faith but does not have the same level of knowledge. Take for example a priest and a lay religious, they have the same faith but we know the priest knows more, so we may rule that out. What direct evidence are you talking about? Evidence of the nonexistence of the subject of the faith or the err of the faith system itself? Whatever that may be, as I have said faith is not based on evidence so it would be hard to melt trust-soluble ideas with evidence.Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds
I already ask you once, where are the church of these other so-called Jesus myth. You said that they had the same historical backgrounds and life events and only varies in time of appearance, so where is now the church that each of those mythical jesus instituted. For our part, our "mythical" Jesus managed to establish His church and kept it going as promised.We have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus but if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable eyewitness accounts.
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06-10-2009, 05:14 PM #510
So I challenged you again, present to me the church each of those mythical Jesus instituted.Virtually every detail in the gospel stories occurred in pagan and/or Hebrew stories, long before the advent of Christianity.
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