Pagan Origins of the Christian Faith (Phil. Daily Inquirer)

[The_Child]

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Would you say that that church was GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPRIT when it maintained the status quo for declaring that the earth was the center of the universe and not the sun?

your a seminarian sir diba, well im not and i think you are more apt with basic church teachings. Guided by the Holy SPirit, diba thats only applicable to the church's moral authority?

if you listen to tonyo as, hellblazer fondly calls him, (i'm uncomfortable saying ST. Anthony because im referring to a saint) the church did not do the declaring,just the maintaining of status quo.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

Bro defending your faith and truth that is within is not hypocricy, where have you got that idea, what am i telling is all the truth and for that its hypocricy. maybe you havent defended your faith and your truth, maybe you try it then call yourself a HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!

angry now, are we? oh puhleeez, don't give me that Holier-Than-Thou speech, ok?

ok, so you're not a hypocrite. my apologies, tonio. you're just being a Good Catholic.

[st.anthony]

Would you say that that church was GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPRIT when it maintained the status quo for declaring that the earth was the center of the universe and not the sun?

MAYBE this would help answer your question

DEI VERBUM

REVELATION ITSELF

2. In His goodness and wisdom God chose to reveal Himself and to make known to us the hidden purpose of His will (see Eph. 1:9) by which through Christ, the Word made flesh, man might in the Holy Spirit have access to the Father and come to share in the divine nature (see Eph. 2:18; 2 Peter 1:4). Through this revelation, therefore, the invisible God (see Col. 1;15, 1 Tim. 1:17) out of the abundance of His love speaks to men as friends (see Ex. 33:11; John 15:14-15) and lives among them (see Bar. 3:3, so that He may invite and take them into fellowship with Himself. This plan of revelation is realized by deeds and words having in inner unity: the deeds wrought by God in the history of salvation manifest and confirm the teaching and realities signified by the words, while the words proclaim the deeds and clarify the mystery contained in them. By this revelation then, the deepest truth about God and the salvation of man shines out for our sake in Christ, who is both the mediator and the fullness of all revelation. (2)

3. God, who through the Word creates all things (see John 1:3) and keeps them in existence, gives men an enduring witness to Himself in created realities (see Rom. 1:19-20). Planning to make known the way of heavenly salvation, He went further and from the start manifested Himself to our first parents. Then after their fall His promise of redemption aroused in them the hope of being saved (see Gen. 3:15) and from that time on He ceaselessly kept the human race in His care, to give eternal life to those who perseveringly do good in search of salvation (see Rom. 2:6-7). Then, at the time He had appointed He called Abraham in order to make of him a great nation (see Gen. 12:2). Through the patriarchs, and after them through Moses and the prophets, He taught this people to acknowledge Himself the one living and true God, provident father and just judge, and to wait for the Savior promised by Him, and in this manner prepared the way for the Gospel down through the centuries.

4. Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son" (Heb. 1:1-2). For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-1. Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." (3) He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4). To see Jesus is to see His Father (John 14:9). For this reason Jesus perfected revelation by fulfilling it through his whole work of making Himself present and manifesting Himself: through His words and deeds, His signs and wonders, but especially through His death and glorious resurrection from the dead and final sending of the Spirit of truth. Moreover He confirmed with divine testimony what revelation proclaimed, that God is with us to free us from the darkness of sin and death, and to raise us up to life eternal.
The Christian dispensation, therefore, as the new and definitive covenant, will never pass away and we now await no further new public revelation before the
glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ (see 1 Tim. 6:14 and Tit. 2:13).

5. "The obedience of faith" (Rom. 13:26; see 1:5; 2 Cor 10:5-6) "is to be given to God who reveals, an obedience by which man commits his whole self freely to God, offering the full submission of intellect and will to God who reveals," (4) and freely assenting to the truth revealed by Him. To make this act of faith, the grace of God and the interior help of the Holy Spirit must precede and assist, moving the heart and turning it to God, opening the eyes of the mind and giving "joy and ease to everyone in assenting to the truth and believing it." (5) To bring about an ever deeper understanding of revelation the same Holy Spirit constantly brings faith to completion by His gifts.
6. Through divine revelation, God chose to show forth and communicate Himself and the eternal decisions of His will regarding the salvation of men. That is to say, He chose to share with them those divine treasures which totally transcend the understanding of the human mind. (6)

As a sacred synod has affirmed, God, the beginning and end of all things, can be known with certainty from created reality by the light of human reason (see Rom. 1:20); but teaches that it is through His revelation that those religious truths which are by their nature accessible to human reason can be known by all men with ease, with solid certitude and with no trace of error, even in this present state of the human race. (7)

[Ramini]

your church when the inquisition was hacking heretics' heads and torturing and burning those would oppose the church's "adopted" idea.

and they say hitler holds the golden scepter for having the record of most kills...hehehehe!!!

a clever scheme to do away with the opposition without ever getting your hands dirty...

[regnauld]

your a seminarian sir diba, well im not and i think you are more apt with basic church teachings. Guided by the Holy SPirit, diba thats only applicable to the church's moral authority?

if you listen to tonyo as, hellblazer fondly calls him, (i'm uncomfortable saying ST. Anthony because im referring to a saint) the church did not do the declaring,just the maintaining of status quo.

Yes maintaining the stauts quo and do you personally believe that the church was GUIDED by the HOLY SPIRIT when they condemned those people who declared that the earth was not the center of the universe? Do you think those people were IMMORAL for declaring that the sun was the center of the universe?

[st.anthony]

angry now, are we? oh puhleeez, don't give me that Holier-Than-Thou speech, ok?

ok, so you're not a hypocrite. my apologies, tonio. you're just being a Good Catholic.

Nope im angry those are just words ok but its just the way how expressed and thnx for the compliment. you are also a good person too.

[regnauld]

^^^ My question was very simple and you gave me long answers!

The church made a GREAT MISTAKE when they condemned Copernicus, Galileo and worst of them all, Bruno who was burned at the stake!

The Roman Church commited MORTAL SINS that cannot be forgotten by future generations!

[The_Child]

Yes maintaining the stauts quo and do you personally believe that the church was GUIDED by the HOLY SPIRIT when they condemned those people who declared that the earth was not the center of the universe? Do you think those people were IMMORAL for declaring that the sun was the center of the universe?

God acts in mysterious ways, what is beyond reason one must submit to faith. I do not know what to believe yet in that point, because i have not exhausted the significant facts regarding the issue.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

Yes maintaining the stauts quo and do you personally believe that the church was GUIDED by the HOLY SPIRIT when they condemned those people who declared that the earth was not the center of the universe? Do you think those people were IMMORAL for declaring that the sun was the center of the universe?

you and i both know the holy spirit has nothing to do with this, mr.regnauld.

[Ramini]

reg they will always squirm out of it...rasonan jd na dayon..and hopefully dha nasad mo sa rason mag lantugi..thus magkalayo nas tinuod nga issue