Grand bible exposition @ grand convention april 21

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paabot diay! So, ang mga katoliko ug born again for example bradix gitagaan sad sila ug pagsabot sa ilang pag basa sa bibliya?

yes , og ang dakong pangutana Kinsa ang naghatag.
kay kung pareha pa ang naghatag pareha unta og output.

PEace!

[rcruman]

naa npod ning wala diri ug wala dito nga logic. hahahaha


@GrEenOCIDE

tabangi ni imong sakop o gapataka lang ug yawit. STI p[od ni siya.

wala ko nagpataka og yawit, ikaw maoy nagpataka og sabot.

kay imo basehan sa argumento kay ang bible nya ang dakong kahibulungan kay MUSLIM ka og dili ka mutuo sa bible.

Peace!

[rcruman]

Read the bible what it means? Like for example, when I read this from the bible Jesus says, "I came here not to bring peace but division." mao nana ang meaning? ka alegre gud!

oy, ayaw og undang, basaha sa laing verse kung ngano mao na ingon ni Jesus.

kay mao division kay iya gusto:

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Matthew 10:34-42

so madivide gyud kung ang imo ginikanan dili musunod kang Jesus, gets nimo.
pero kung musunod mo tanan, madivide ba?

mao niy nakaparat nimo, mubasa kag bible kay selective og kuha lang ka sa imo gusto.

Peace!

[seven_segment]

oy, ayaw og undang, basaha sa laing verse kung ngano mao na ingon ni Jesus.

kay mao division kay iya gusto:

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Matthew 10:34-42

so madivide gyud kung ang imo ginikanan dili musunod kang Jesus, gets nimo.
pero kung musunod mo tanan, madivide ba?

mao niy nakaparat nimo, mubasa kag bible kay selective og kuha lang ka sa imo gusto.

Peace!

wow! literal!


but I may say...Jesus, being God, knew this though, knew there would be some who would not accept Him, and thus, knew that what He was/is bring is not world peace, but a "sword", that is, division among people: the people that accept Him, and the people that reject Him.

okies!

[Malic]

yes kung kana nga verse alone imo kuhaon kay mao gyud na ang masabtan, pero out of context ka kung mugawas.

nya kung hatagan tikag bible verse nga mo-explain ana musugot ka? verse by verse.

kini bro basaha lang sa ang context:
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

unsay gisulti sa verse 10?
selective man gud ka mobasa, imo lang kuhaon ang tan-aw nimo imo armas og duda.

you should know first in this chapter 2 of Ephesians, what type of Salvation, to be saved from?
is it from the eternal damnation?

kana ato guide para nindot.

Peace!

nya? ang sabot ayaw e interpret ha...ang verse 10 ingun diha sa binisaya pa nga kita gi buhat sa Ginoo para mobuhat ug maayong buhat. Nya? naka usab na sa verse nga akong gihatag? wa jud intawn.

o hahaha ayaw lagi e interpret...wa jud gisulti diha nga duha ka type ang kaluwasan hahahahaha...dodong, ikaw ray ni supak sa imong balaod nga dili e interpret ang bibe.

[Malic]

wala ko nagpataka og yawit, ikaw maoy nagpataka og sabot.

kay imo basehan sa argumento kay ang bible nya ang dakong kahibulungan kay MUSLIM ka og dili ka mutuo sa bible.

Peace!

sakto kaayo akong pagsabot nga nagpataka ka ug yawit...

naa napod pataka napod ka ug yawit...

nganu diay kung di ko motoo sa bible dili diay puede himoon nako ang bibe ug reference to destroy false arguments nga gikan nimo? tsk tsk tsk...taka napod ka ug yawit.

[schmuck]

wala ko nagpataka og yawit, ikaw maoy nagpataka og sabot.

kay imo basehan sa argumento kay ang bible nya ang dakong kahibulungan kay MUSLIM ka og dili ka mutuo sa bible.

Peace!

mao ni argumentum ad hominem, discrediting the argument by attacking the personality of the opponent

[etsirkoid]

yes kung kana nga verse alone imo kuhaon kay mao gyud na ang masabtan, pero out of context ka kung mugawas.

Peace!

yehey we are already reading the bible w/i context.. so are we considering now the time it was written, the writer, the culture when it was written?

[vulture08]

kalma lng mo mga bro...ayaw ninyu himua nga daku nag isyu plsss....lng


PEACE 2 all...^_^

[rcruman]

nya? ang sabot ayaw e interpret ha...ang verse 10 ingun diha sa binisaya pa nga kita gi buhat sa Ginoo para mobuhat ug maayong buhat. Nya? naka usab na sa verse nga akong gihatag? wa jud intawn.

o hahaha ayaw lagi e interpret...wa jud gisulti diha nga duha ka type ang kaluwasan hahahahaha...dodong, ikaw ray ni supak sa imong balaod nga dili e interpret ang bibe.

naunsa naman ka malic.
klaro kaayo imo issue sa verse 8 og 9 nga Not by works.
pero wala nimo basaha ang verse 10.
so klaro kaayo nga ang kaluwasan nga giingon sa verse 8 og 9 kay dili ang kaluwasan/assurance nga dili naka macondemned to the lake of fire.

ang verse 5-9 kay naghisgut nga giluwas ta sa GINOO bisan pa unsa ato gibuhat, gihatagan ta niyag chance sa kinabuhing walay katapusan. Og aron makaabot sa kinabuhing walay katapusan kinahanglan buhaton ang maayong buhat nga giandam sa GINOO nga ato subayon.

Peace!