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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Yes it was FRIGHTENING to have lived such DARKEST ERA in the history of the Catholic Church! I couldn't imagine the BRUTAL TORTURE, AGONY and PAIN suffered by thousands or millions of people there!
    well, it was mandated by the Popes at those times. plus, the Dominican Order being the Hounds of God during the Inquisition, let's just spare the gory details, mr.regnauld. at least the Catholic Church has outgrown their share of fanaticism, mr.regnauld.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellblazer 2.1 View Post
    well, it was mandated by the Popes at those times. plus, the Dominican Order being the Hounds of God during the Inquisition, let's just spare the gory details, mr.regnauld. at least the Catholic Church has outgrown their share of fanaticism, mr.regnauld.
    But the pope is INFALLIBLE mr. hell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    But the pope is INFALLIBLE mr. hell?
    yes. perfect. just like the Bible is the Word of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellblazer 2.1 View Post
    yes. perfect. just like the Bible is the Word of God.
    I see. The pope is next to Jesus the Christ who lives in a mansion I mean in a simple home called the Vatican. Jesus was a simple man too!

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    and all the while i really thought the Pope is a king. ('c',)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellblazer 2.1 View Post
    and all the while i really thought the Pope is a king. ('c',)
    Long Live The King I mean the Pope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Long Live The King I mean the Pope!
    are you aware that a pope was once a mason??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bungot25 View Post
    are you aware that a pope was once a mason??
    Old news. Ae you aware that our country [Philippines] and if not, the whole world is run my freemasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Yes it was FRIGHTENING to have lived such DARKEST ERA in the history of the Catholic Church! I couldn't imagine the BRUTAL TORTURE, AGONY and PAIN suffered by thousands or millions of people there!
    whew! but many is ignorant...that the Inquisition was not conducted by the Church, but by the government!..
    People accused of crimes would confess to witchcraft in order to be tried by the more lenient Church....

    Yes! Na surprised jud ko...to learn that in reality people wanted a Church trial...rather than a government trial simply because the Church might actually give them mercy while the government absolutely would not. They preferred the Inquisition. Egh, how horrible was justice way back then?

    Just read this somewhere:

    Although the Inquisition (and any torture or deaths associated with it) is nothing Catholics should be proud of - and they should not try to gloss over the facts - it may be useful to place the charges in context. The figure of millions is most certainly an exaggeration - it seems to be a vague figure which is merely "thrown out" and it creates a shock factor. There will never be exact figures, but some scholars estimate that the total number of deaths over the whole course of the Inquisition was about four thousand. One cannot expect an anti-Catholic to accept such a paltry figure. Jimmy Swaggart has claimed that the Catholic Church murdered about twenty million people during the Inquisition, another anti-Catholic author gives a figure of ninety million. In the Middle Ages, 90 million executions would have wiped out the whole population of Europe several times! Also, remember that the Inquisition never operated in England or Northern and Eastern Europe. In fact the Inquisition operated almost exclusively in Spain, France and Italy - although, as I say, we cannot try to deny the horrors of the Inquisition, a figure of millions or even hundreds of thousands is very far off the mark. As a comparison, in Britain and Germany - where the Inquisition never operated - the numbers burned at the stake for witchcraft were thirty thousand and one hundred thousand respectively.

    At any rate, what does the Inquisition prove about the Church? It doesn't disprove the truths which it has professed since the time of Christ - it shows....that it is a church full of sinners! Whoever said otherwise? As for the charge about people being in ignorance with regard to the Bible - this is absolute rubbish. The Church never denied people access to authorised editions of the Bible. Anyway, even if the Church had given every person a Bible, it would have been of no use since most people couldn't read - hence one reason for magnificent stained glass windows and wonderful sculptures in the great European cathedrals of the Middle Ages. Such a claim also inevitably leads us to the fact that millions of people in the early centuries of the Church lived and died without having the version of the Bible as we have it today, they relied completely on the teachings of the Apostles and their successors.

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    also just to add regarding those executed:

    It is true that at various times throughout history, various secular rulers (kings and queens, not the Church) have expelled Jews from their territories. The reasons varied, some political, some financial (confiscating property is a good way to increase the royal treasury) and some religious.

    The Jews were never compelled to convert. The Inquisition applied only to Christians. However, in Spain there was a phenomenon of Jews and Muslims making false conversions for politcal gain (because Christians were at an advantage). These people were called the Conversos. They, having been baptized, were certainly subject to the Inquisition when it was discovered they were practicing their original religion in secret and had falsely converted. Some Conversos were very sincere-- including the priest who actually led the Inquisition for a time in Spain.

    exaggeration at hand

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