Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

[Minuano27]

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but the way i understand proximate cause it like you disregard the clear danger that you know what might happen... like ignoring the opened manhole, a damage waiting shed that might collapse. That's a good example for a proximate cause right? But soliciting to establishment to be awarded as prizes? mura lagpas ra kaau.

sometimes the danger might not be obvious, that's why the principle extends to what a prudent and reasonable man might do to analyze the situation and anticipate what could happen.

the proximate cause is the start - encouraging people to attend bec. of huge prizes, but actually, what is involved is a chain of events leading to an incident which causes damage or injury. IMO, what gonzales is saying is that since the organizers enticed people to attend, then they should have anticipated the large crowd that could show up (and they anticipated that 30K would show up), and moved the venue or put in place some form of crowd control to prevent any untoward incident. all this, of course, is just based on what's reported in the media so we'll just have to wait for the final report of the investigators.....

[samamar21]

nothing
new!

[FK]

the proximate cause is the start - encouraging people to attend bec. of huge prizes, but actually, what is involved is a chain of events leading to an incident which causes damage or injury. IMO, what gonzales is saying is that since the organizers enticed people to attend, then they should have anticipated the large crowd that could show up (and they anticipated that 30K would show up), and moved the venue or put in place some form of crowd control to prevent any untoward incident.

so you could still be held liable even if you are not part of the planning team? just because you invite/encourage people and help solicit for the prizes?

[Minuano27]

so you could still be held liable even if you are not part of the planning team? just because you invite/encourage people and help solicit for the prizes?

that depends on what exactly you said and did to invite/encourage so that its connection to the chain of events can be analyzed....dat's why i said as for willie, mura'g layo ra, but that's just my opinion....

[FK]

that depends on what exactly you said and did to invite/encourage so that its connection to the chain of events can be analyzed....dat's why i said as for willie, mura'g layo ra, but that's just my opinion....

well we share the same opinion... thanks for clarrifying with regards to legal concerns... kuyaw man gud kaau kay basin mangimbitar ko og amigo sa amo-a para mag-inom onya magdinunggabay ang duha, makasuhan onya ko.

[LytSlpr]

so you could still be held liable even if you are not part of the planning team? just because you invite/encourage people and help solicit for the prizes?

that depends on what exactly you said and did to invite/encourage so that its connection to the chain of events can be analyzed....dat's why i said as for willie, mura'g layo ra, but that's just my opinion....

probably because despite he already had an estimate number of the possible crowd he still fueled their excitement further.

[FK]

probably because despite he already had an estimate number of the possible crowd he still fueled their excitement further.

but it is not just the number of crowd that causes a stampede... it's the failure to control the crowd.
Now if i have a neighbor that I invited to go with me in Wowowee, would I still be legally liable? Maybe I would be blamed but legally liable? think not.

[LytSlpr]

probably because despite he already had an estimate number of the possible crowd he still fueled their excitement further.

but it is not just the number of crowd that causes a stampede... it's the failure to control the crowd.
Now if i have a neighbor that I invited to go with me in Wowowee, would I still be legally liable? Maybe I would be blamed but legally liable? think not.

cause and effect

[king_mark]

a crowd that big? theres no way you could control it.. considering the status and the motives of the people who went there. these people are way below the poverty line, hoping to get lucky and win instant money.. sakit sa pinoy

[fingolfin]

.. im laughing my arse out with this story. blaming the president for a gameshow tragedy. wow. filipinos are indeed DUMB