Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) Discussion: Inquiries and Information.

[maddox22]

unya? naay gisuwat diha nga ang name ni Jesus sa Old testament kay Jehovah?

kalibog man ka oi...trinitarian man kaha ka? wa ka kasabot sa doctirne sa trinity? ang amahan lahi ug ang anak lahi ug ang spirito lahi.

ang Jehovah mao ang Amahan matud pa sa inyong doktrina, but wa man ka kasabot. ikaw ray galibog libog.

haaay Malic...

Sige, ok, I'll level with you Malic.

First of all I'm not a Catholic. And whoever told you I'm Catholic? Tsk tsk... Mao na lagi na ba.

So I'm not a Catholic and so I don't believe in the Trinity doctrine. That doctrine states that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose (they got it correct here) but also one in personage! (toink) God the Father is also Jesus Christ and also the Holy Ghost! So in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus Christ who was praying to his Father, asking Him for strength, was actually praying to himself because he is also the Father! This is very confusing. And as we all know this is another one of the Catholic church's 'MYSTERIES'.

I don't believe God intends himself to be mysterious to us. I believe He wants the opposite. He wants us to know Him and who He is. To fully love Him, we need to know Him first.

What I believe in and what I know to be true, is that God the Father, his son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose (meaning they have one will and desire) but they are three separate personages. Meaning they are three different and separate persons. God the Father is not Jesus Christ nor is He the Holy Ghost. They each have their own identity. But they are one in purpose and desire and plan and etc...

That is very simple. As proof, remember Stephen when he was stoned to his death. Right before he died he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ appearing before him. He saw two personages. God the Father told him, pointing to Jesus Christ, this is my son. Also, when Jesus Christ was baptized by John the baptist, God the father (a voice was heard), the Holy Ghost (manifested in a form of a dove) and Jesus Christ manifested to the multitude present at that time. That was to show to the people that they were three separate personages but one in purpose.

[maddox22]

dii nako batasan mag spoon feed.

di ko parehas nimo nga gapataka lang ug interpret sa verse.

unsay komplikado? gi komplikadohan naka ani? pagkabogo na lang jud diay nimo kong mao na.

tubag na lang bro kay klaro na kaayo ka. maulaw biya ta. karaan na man gud na nga style gud.

And kalma lang sad bro. Ang puso mo.


If you don't know, then just admit it. It's ok if you don't know. Peace!

[regnauld]

haaay Malic...

Sige, ok, I'll level with you Malic.

First of all I'm not a Catholic. And whoever told you I'm Catholic? Tsk tsk... Mao na lagi na ba.

So I'm not a Catholic and so I don't believe in the Trinity doctrine. That doctrine states that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose (they got it correct here) but also one in personage! (toink) God the Father is also Jesus Christ and also the Holy Ghost! So in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus Christ who was praying to his Father, asking Him for strength, was actually praying to himself because he is also the Father! This is very confusing. And as we all know this is another one of the Catholic church's 'MYSTERIES'.

I don't believe God intends himself to be mysterious to us. I believe He wants the opposite. He wants us to know Him and who He is. To fully love Him, we need to know Him first.

What I believe in and what I know to be true, is that God the Father, his son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose (meaning they have one will and desire) but they are three separate personages. Meaning they are three different and separate persons. God the Father is not Jesus Christ nor is He the Holy Ghost. They each have their own identity. But they are one in purpose and desire and plan and etc...

That is very simple. As proof, remember Stephen when he was stoned to his death. Right before he died he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ appearing before him. He saw two personages. God the Father told him, pointing to Jesus Christ, this is my son. Also, when Jesus Christ was baptized by John the baptist, God the father (a voice was heard), the Holy Ghost (manifested in a form of a dove) and Jesus Christ manifested to the multitude present at that time. That was to show to the people that they were three separate personages but one in purpose.

BTW, brad what is your denominational church or sect?

[maddox22]

BTW, brad what is your denominational church or sect?

Reg, thanks for asking but I would prefer not to say it here coz I don't think it's appropriate.

Anyway, if ever we'll meet personally then I'll tell you. I just want to share what I believe.

[Malic]

haaay Malic...

Sige, ok, I'll level with you Malic.

First of all I'm not a Catholic. And whoever told you I'm Catholic? Tsk tsk... Mao na lagi na ba.

So I'm not a Catholic and so I don't believe in the Trinity doctrine. That doctrine states that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose (they got it correct here) but also one in personage! (toink) God the Father is also Jesus Christ and also the Holy Ghost! So in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus Christ who was praying to his Father, asking Him for strength, was actually praying to himself because he is also the Father! This is very confusing. And as we all know this is another one of the Catholic church's 'MYSTERIES'.

I don't believe God intends himself to be mysterious to us. I believe He wants the opposite. He wants us to know Him and who He is. To fully love Him, we need to know Him first.

What I believe in and what I know to be true, is that God the Father, his son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose (meaning they have one will and desire) but they are three separate personages. Meaning they are three different and separate persons. God the Father is not Jesus Christ nor is He the Holy Ghost. They each have their own identity. But they are one in purpose and desire and plan and etc...

That is very simple. As proof, remember Stephen when he was stoned to his death. Right before he died he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ appearing before him. He saw two personages. God the Father told him, pointing to Jesus Christ, this is my son. Also, when Jesus Christ was baptized by John the baptist, God the father (a voice was heard), the Holy Ghost (manifested in a form of a dove) and Jesus Christ manifested to the multitude present at that time. That was to show to the people that they were three separate personages but one in purpose.

psst in the first place obos kaayo ka nako. I'll level with you duh! feeling taas ka maddox?


nya ni ingun diay ko nga katoliko ka, nalipong naka?


mag bisaya ko ha kay basin kung english inyo nya e copy paste sa laing chatroom nya laing tao ang mo hatag ug depensa. I hope dili ka ingun ana, kay naa koy nasakpan ana pero dili diri sa istoya.


mao bitaw na akong ponto. tan-awa ra gud akong tubag palihug.

bago pa ka naka katon aning docktrina sa trinity? matud pa nimo...and i quote...

What I believe in and what I know to be true, is that God the Father, his son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose (meaning they have one will and desire) but they are three separate personages. Meaning they are three different and separate persons. God the Father is not Jesus Christ nor is He the Holy Ghost. They each have their own identity. But they are one in purpose and desire and plan and etc...

wala na nayabag na...ikaw ra man diay ang nag puliki diri. One WILL and DESIRE? toink!

kabasa ka sa imong bible...hala basa...
Luke 22:42 (New International Version)
42"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

kita ka ana? not MY(Jesus) Will but YOURS(Father) be done.

kasabot ka ana o wala? nya ako gihapon na e explain nimo, mag spoon feed na pod ko? sabta kuno na palihug. pila ka WILL at play diha? osa o duha?

ingun si Jesus dii akong will but will sa amahan ang matuman. So klaro kaayo nga lain lain ilang WILL. Nya karon mo ingun ka nga ONE WILL? toink!


nya tubaga lagi akong pangutana...unsa diay ng GOD? kung dii na one entity group of persons diay na ang GOD? dili lagi ka mutubag ana.


psssst pagtoon sa ug theology ayaw paka owaw sa inyong simbahan. klaro kaayo kuang pa imong pagsabot sa TRINITY.

[Malic]

Reg, thanks for asking but I would prefer not to say it here coz I don't think it's appropriate.

Anyway, if ever we'll meet personally then I'll tell you. I just want to share what I believe.

oi hadlok man. hahahaha!

[Malic]

tubag na lang bro kay klaro na kaayo ka. maulaw biya ta. karaan na man gud na nga style gud.

And kalma lang sad bro. Ang puso mo.


If you don't know, then just admit it. It's ok if you don't know. Peace!

nitubag na intawn ko oi. wa lang ka kasabot mao ng imong ipa explain nako. nya di man nako na batasan mo spoon feed.


basta excited ko ingun ani jud ko...ayaw lang ko pakalmaha kay dugay na pod ko walay practice ug debate. so ikaw bale akong punching bag karon. ok ra man kaha nimo?

[maddox22]

Luke 22:42 (New International Version)
42"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

kita ka ana? not MY(Jesus) Will but YOURS(Father) be done.

Good nga imo ni gigamit nga verse Malic. Sakto unta imong point pero kulang. In other words kulang imong pagsabot sa logic ani.

Don't you see, this verse only shows you that they indeed have one will. Jesus Christ has shown here, as an example to us also, that he concedes to the will of the Father.

Malic, for the sake of your ignorance, it doesn't mean that having one will and purpose - mura na ug robot si Jesus Christ that he's not capable of thinking for himself and making his own decisions. In deeper understanding, it means that he is humble, faithful, obedient, and submissive to his Father. He acts under his Father's direction. So does the Holy Ghost.

Is that hard for you to understand Malic? Tsk tsk... paita...

So you don't believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost have one will and purpose? So ok, let's hear it from you. Can you explain to us what you believe God to be? What is the relationship of God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost? Do you believe they are one? If so, then how are they one? If not then what do you believe?

I'm starting to think you just need someone to listen to you to keep you calm.

[maddox22]

nitubag na intawn ko oi. wa lang ka kasabot mao ng imong ipa explain nako. nya di man nako na batasan mo spoon feed.


basta excited ko ingun ani jud ko...ayaw lang ko pakalmaha kay dugay na pod ko walay practice ug debate. so ikaw bale akong punching bag karon. ok ra man kaha nimo?

ok ra bro walay problema.

[Malic]

Good nga imo ni gigamit nga verse Malic. Sakto unta imong point pero kulang. In other words kulang imong pagsabot sa logic ani.

Don't you see, this verse only shows you that they indeed have one will. Jesus Christ has shown here, as an example to us also, that he concedes to the will of the Father.

Malic, for the sake of your ignorance, it doesn't mean that having one will and purpose - mura na ug robot si Jesus Christ that he's not capable of thinking for himself and making his own decisions. In deeper understanding, it means that he is humble, faithful, obedient, and submissive to his Father. He acts under his Father's direction. So does the Holy Ghost.

Is that hard for you to understand Malic? Tsk tsk... paita...

So you don't believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost have one will and purpose? So ok, let's hear it from you. Can you explain to us what you believe God to be? What is the relationship of God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost? Do you believe they are one? If so, then how are they one? If not then what do you believe?

I'm starting to think you just need someone to listen to you to keep you calm.

toink nisamot imong pagka way klaro. sige jud lobaga jud ug maayo para makalusot ka. hahaha!

intawn kalooy kalayo na sa imong depensa.


basaha ug osab imong statement...Jesus Christ has shown here, as an example to us also, that he concedes to the will of the Father.


meaning ang iyang WILL gi submit niya sa WILL sa Father. mao nay pasabot ana ha. Dili pasabot nga osa ilang WILL.

kung si Jesus ang paboton lahi iyang gusto but tungod gusto niya ang kaboboton sa amahan ang matoman maong ng ni concede siya sa WILL sa Amahan. But it doesnt mean nga OSA ilang WILL.

lahi ng ONE WILL ug gi CONCEDE NGA WILL. ayaw ug lusot.


As ive said excited lang ko kay naa napod pa sweto sweto sa bibiya, di jud ko mokalma kay lami kaayo e sugmag sa punching bag. kana bitaw nga dugay naka wala ka sparring nya naay mo volunteer, sus pagkalami jud ug patid patid sa punching bag.