what are reasons that....?

[regnauld]

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some people can't understand because they wont understand and never would understand.

Now I understand what you are trying to understand.

[rcruman]

ok... you mention about the apostles: how about judas (one of Christ apostles)? there is an speculation on the gospel of judas what can you say about it? can he still be reliable on his accounts?

JUDAS ISCARIOT didn't write any books because he's a treasurer.
Many or just recently A GOSPEL OF JUDAS came out, then its been said by apostles that:

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 4:1-4

AND

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:8-9

so just read the gospel of judas (as they claimed) then compare it with the bible if it conforms with the doctrine of Jesus CHRIST which is the GOSPEL.

Peace!

[rcruman]

thanks..

what does it mean the will of my Father which is in heaven?

so there is a probability that one can be saved outside the church?

Yes, a very big possibility.

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1 timothy 4:10

Jesus Christ is the saviour of the body which is the Church.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:23

and outside the Church its GOD who will save them and Judge.

its been said by Jesus through Parables:

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:31-40

as you can noticed the sheeps didn't know about JESUS CHRIST and yet the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs.

But for people who know GOD and yet refused to follow and even persecuted HIS people then that's another part of the story.

PEace!

[rcruman]

why did Jesus still choosed judas to be his discipe?
why did Jesus still choosed peter, thomas,paul,augustine, etc.etc.etc.

Because GOD sees our hearts that we can't.
Jesus Christ came here to call the sinners to repent.
A healthy person doesn't need a doctor but the sick ones.
The heart of Judas in the beginning is pure , because Jesus will not assign him as treasurer if your not.
But he allow satan to his heart.

it is very unfathomed. we cannot understand all this things nor understand Gods will until we come up to many questions, "BIG" questions.

by our own will we can't understand but it will be given.
read Proverbs 1:23 and Mark 4:11-12.

and after that read Isaiah 55:8-9.
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.



Peace!

[rcruman]

we never will understand anything until were dead... only when we die we can say there is something beyond this or just the cold earth that will rot our bodies after were dead...

you're very wrong according to the bible:

10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ecclesiastes 9:10.

there is no knowledge in the grave.

Peace!

[gabstafari]

Because GOD sees our hearts that we can't.
Jesus Christ came here to call the sinners to repent.
A healthy person doesn't need a doctor but the sick ones.
The heart of Judas in the beginning is pure , because Jesus will not assign him as treasurer if your not.
But he allow satan to his heart.



by our own will we can't understand but it will be given.
read Proverbs 1:23 and Mark 4:11-12.

and after that read Isaiah 55:8-9.
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.



Peace!

and so i think you have answered your own thread.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

and amen to that.

[bisan-unsa]

Yes, a very big possibility.

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1 timothy 4:10

Jesus Christ is the saviour of the body which is the Church.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:23

and outside the Church its GOD who will save them and Judge.

its been said by Jesus through Parables:

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:31-40

as you can noticed the sheeps didn't know about JESUS CHRIST and yet the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs.

But for people who know GOD and yet refused to follow and even persecuted HIS people then that's another part of the story.

PEace!

is that the beatitude?

can you explained why God have "dual" personality because in the OT punished those people (especially to those who did not worship him) while in the NT He can be viewed as a merciful Father ready to forgive?!

[bisan-unsa]

JUDAS ISCARIOT didn't write any books because he's a treasurer.
Many or just recently A GOSPEL OF JUDAS came out, then its been said by apostles that:

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 4:1-4

AND

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:8-9

so just read the gospel of judas (as they claimed) then compare it with the bible if it conforms with the doctrine of Jesus CHRIST which is the GOSPEL.

Peace!

ok... as i understand his gospel i viewed it as an explanation (philosophical) of somethings... in which other four Gospel did not have... in fact Judas was an important role in Christ life... without him the prophecy would not happened...

peace

[bisan-unsa]

hala mo nawala na ang TS dgi... heheheh