How do we really know God exists... The Bible Answers

[vipvip68]

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hopefully, but those religious baggage are the doctrines too. and faith without doctrines is prone to errors.

My understanding is that Faith and Doctrine are tools by which religion try to explain God. Doctrine is subjective as it differs from one religion to another. So to have Faith in a belief system devised by Man is not free from error itself. Even faith within ones doctrine in itself is prone to error also.

That is why I believe God shouldn't be constrained within religion.

[regnauld]

My understanding is that Faith and Doctrine are tools by which religion try to explain God. Doctrine is subjective as it differs from one religion to another. So to have Faith in a belief system devised by Man is not free from error itself. Even faith within ones doctrine in itself is prone to error also.

That is why I believe God shouldn't be constrained within religion.

Yes it's all subjective and therefore, it's relative!

[vipvip68]

God without doctrine? is like a CEO without policy/rules and regulations to its company. imagine how it creates chaos?

Exactly my point.. religion is used as a means of control.

To put it bluntly... primitive people need some means of control... religion is one of the many tools to achieve this.

I believe we have evolved beyond that point as shown by more educated countries not relying on religion as much as poor / undeveloped countries.

IF I follow your analogy and place God as a CEO of a company and policy/rules as doctrine....there would be hundreds of conflicting policy/rules (doctrines) and the employees would have a hard time knowing which policy is to be followed.. We would have different factions of employees asserting that their policy/rule is the one to be followed. A good CEO should have company policy/rules that apply to all.

[necrotic freak]

Exactly my point.. religion is used as a means of control.

To put it bluntly... primitive people need some means of control... religion is one of the many tools to achieve this.

I believe we have evolved beyond that point as shown by more educated countries not relying on religion as much as poor / undeveloped countries.

IF I follow your analogy and place God as a CEO of a company and policy/rules as doctrine....there would be hundreds of conflicting policy/rules (doctrines) and the employees would have a hard time knowing which policy is to be followed.. We would have different factions of employees asserting that their policy/rule is the one to be followed. A good CEO should have company policy/rules that apply to all.

Everything must have a means of control. you mean educated countries have no more control of its people? i think educated people are more control conscious than primitive people in terms of population growth.

and you think no one is controlling you now? tell me one developed country that have no control of its people? its not just about religion.. even your own self is conrtrolling what you would eat.

well do you believe that Gods policy and doctrine is not applicable to all? were its His objective for all mankind.

Oops! istorya.net is controlling you now.

[Maikeru]

i share the same sentiments.

doing good out of FEAR. is really not a good image.
to believe out of FEAR. is an emotional black mail....BELIVE or else...
threats of hellfire and eternal torture for finite transgressions, anyone?

these type of people usually only BEHAVE themselves when the security camera is ON...or when the think its ON.

you do good thing because they are good, not out of fear. not because someone sez so.

I share the same opinion.

[necrotic freak]

^^hmm.. i love that munzter, he's doing good..

[vipvip68]

Everything must have a means of control. you mean educated countries have no more control of its people? i think educated people are more control conscious than primitive people in terms of population growth.

You read my post wrongly...I said that religion is but one of the many means of control.
More progressed societies have evolved from religion based control to other means (social, legal.. etc). My point is that religion is a choice.. not a mandatory belief system that everyone has to follow. Different religions can't even get along with regards to their beliefs. Religious followers should be humble enough to accept that they like all of us are merely in a quest of understanding... that their religion is not absolute truth.

and you think no one is controlling you now? tell me one developed country that have no control of its people? its not just about religion.. even your own self is conrtrolling what you would eat.

Oops! istorya.net is controlling you now.

We are talking about religion as a means of control... your statement has no relation to the points I just made.. i suggest you stick to the topic.. you interpreted my point wrongly. I do not wish to engage in an argument with you about society and control over its people.. as that's best reserved for another topic and is beside my point.

well do you believe that Gods policy and doctrine is not applicable to all? were its His objective for all mankind.

The thing with religion is that each one assumes that their own doctrine is that of God... hence it is applicable to all. What about the other religions who also believe that their doctrine is God's word... who's doctrine are we to believe? This kind of "My religion is right.. yours are all wrong" belief is the reason why we have had so many wars and conflicts over our history as man tries to impose his religious beliefs on others.

I do believe God's doctrine is applicable to all.. religious beliefs have tried to understand his doctrine but I do not believe that any single religion has understood Him fully.

In the end... it is a quest to understand God. religion, science and other machinations of the human thought are merely attempts to understand Him. Some look to science and the scientific method... some look to faith and religion... some look within and meditate... we are all in the same boat and it is our choice on how we are to better understand God.

[amingb]

i share the same sentiments.

doing good out of FEAR. is really not a good image.
to believe out of FEAR. is an emotional black mail....BELIVE or else...
threats of hellfire and eternal torture for finite transgressions, anyone?

these type of people usually only BEHAVE themselves when the security camera is ON...or when the think its ON.

you do good thing because they are good, not out of fear. not because someone sez so.

The fear of God is a Spiritual Blackmail is a sentiments to the unbelievers ... obvious.

To make it Short The Fear that the scripture emphasize is committing Sin.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in union with the Messiah Jesus our Lord.

If we Sin we cannot have eternal life.

Now that is GODLY WISDOM.

[schmuck]

"I love you, I love you so much that if you don't believe in me, I'll let you burn in hell! - God(supposedly)"


God. What a douche.

[handsoff241]

My understanding is that Faith and Doctrine are tools by which religion try to explain God. Doctrine is subjective as it differs from one religion to another. So to have Faith in a belief system devised by Man is not free from error itself. Even faith within ones doctrine in itself is prone to error also.

That is why I believe God shouldn't be constrained within religion.

that is indeed "your" understanding, as how our doctrine come upon, it was not created to explain God, it was created to guide the people, members of the church already established by God. yes, doctrines varies greatly from religions to one, but your idea is totally not what it is.

God is not constrained in one religion, it is a fact, only His name and attributes differ.