MERGED: South Road Properties (SRP) News, Issues, and Developments

[giddyboy]

I will indulge you, if the questions raised by PJ about SRP has substance according to the constitution, then why in congress? mag mudslinging ra na sila didto, ipaki-uwaw ang cebu on nationwide TV, no resolution will ever come up as always, in congress.

Talawan man gud si PJ, hiding under the cloak of his immunity just like Lacson. Kung naa gyud siya'y basis, ipa file sa court or ombudsman or if it's plunderous sa sandiganbayan.

But no, he just wants face time dragging the Cebuanos to the image of his though funny but ugly caricature.

Again, wa ko molaban ni Tomas laban ko sa Cebu. Granting naa gyud basis si PJ, though maybe nakakita siya ug legal buslot, he has no moral authority to question it and if he were a true gentleman and supposedly the better man being a lawyer, dapat ni-abstain siya sa issue kay ma-tainted man ug political color.

i will undulge you. if the questions raised by PJ has substance accdg to out Consti, it would be more fitting gyud both sa Congress and in the courts. Abi ky tua sa Congress doesn't mean dili kasohon pud sa courts...where did u get that thinking? LOLs

if mauwawan ang Cebu tungod sa issue, blame the City officials and FLI. Not PJ. Not Capitol.

If there's smoke, find the fire and blame the fire starter. Don't blame the fireman.

[LytSlpr]

i will undulge you. if the questions raised by PJ has substance accdg to out Consti, it would be more fitting gyud both sa Congress and in the courts. Abi ky tua sa Congress doesn't mean dili kasohon pud sa courts...where did u get that thinking? LOLs

it's not MY thinking, that is history of Philippine politics after Marcos. Agree?

[LytSlpr]

Bottomline: c Gwen ra gyud ang nka barug against the arrogance of Tomas!!! LOLs

other than her (or mga Garcia), WALA! Nka kita na gyud ug kaatbang c Tomas, FINALLY! and to think babaye ang iyang kaatbang! LOLs

Gatuo c Tomas nga dili mosukol c Gwen sa iyang pag una2x ug insulto sa Province.

Lagot lang gyud ni c Tomas ni Gwen ky di man gyud kadut cya ni Gwen bsag unsaon pa niya.

Ngita ug buslot ang Province, unya karon kakita man ug buslot, murag walay mahims ang Council....hahaha

hala sige mo mga Osmena hangtod asa mo kutob pag daut sa Garcia ug Province. Atimana na inyong dakong problema sa FLI deal ora mismo. malipay pa ang mga Cebuano ninyo.

Yes, arrogant si Tomas but the issue is beyond personalities.

It's also just a matter of time nga makakita pud ug buslot not only Tomas but city hall/BOPK against ni Gwen/Capitol or basin nakakita na using the Friar Lands provision of Ciudad?

Here is the problem about their spat regardless of commissions, kickbacks, irregularities, Gwen is for herself and her ego while Tomas is for the Cebuanos, the province included and of course his money.

See the difference? Mao bitaw this is beyond legalities and textbook law. Mao sad despite sa ka arrogante aning Tomas, generally at least sa perception sa majority sa mga Cebuanos, mas pro-Cebu siya compared kay Gwen.

Wa'y mahitabo anang pag dala ni PJ ani nga isyu didto sa kongreso. Samot lang mahimong lapok ang lubog na tubig. Personally, if I were PJ di na nako dalhon sa kongreso bisan tuod naa pa ko'y nasilip na legal loophole. Pero he can't help it and he must being a Garcia protecting their interest. This is not just a matter of pride, this is a matter of money because if there is nothing in it for them they won't go the long haul.

[jdimpas]

^^ and mostly sa mga thread i found in the net is against sila kay gwen..
sa sunstar palang daan kusog kaau mutira kang thomas. samokan kaau they already cross the line.

Peace!

[giddyboy]

^^ and mostly sa mga thread i found in the net is against sila kay gwen..
sa sunstar palang daan kusog kaau mutira kang thomas. samokan kaau they already cross the line.
Peace!

those u found mostly in the net saying about gwen are more likely biased against gwen. those who are satisfied w/ her don't need to be saying anything on the net.

how to know when someone is crossing the line in this FLI issue is when libel or complaint charges are being thrown either way. so far wala man. parehas gud sa libel case batok ni leo lastimosa or that Nov'08 complaint that Pablo John lodged against Sun.Star regarding a CPVDC article. wanna take a look? here is the link:

onion-skinned

what's crossing the line instead is not paying P100,000 in sun.star dues and reasoning out just by saying, "Prove me that u r the No. 1 in Cebuano readership and i will pay my dues"...Toinks!

what's crossing the line is that even our own Cardinal Vidal cannot talk sense to Tomas.

If Gwen, VM Rama, the Council, Cuenco, Gullas, etc. feel they are being shabbily treated by Mayor Tomas Osmeña, they should not feel so all alone. If Osmeña cannot even get along with some of his own siblings and cousins, who are they to expect something different?

But wise politicians always have an extra parachute when dealing with people like Osmeña, who believes he is the son of God.

Peace!

[giddyboy]

Yes, arrogant si Tomas but the (FLI) issue is beyond personalities.

THERE U GO... u just shot yourself in the foot! LOLs

It's also just a matter of time nga makakita pud ug buslot not only Tomas but city hall/BOPK against ni Gwen/Capitol or basin nakakita na using the Friar Lands provision of Ciudad?

dili man buslot ilang gipangita sa Ciudad. there is no buslot to talk about. Instead bikil man! mao btaw gipangitaan gyud ug paagi nga di madayon ang Ciudad. Traffic congestion my arse!

Gwen is for herself and her ego while Tomas is for the Cebuanos, the province included and of course his money.

wow! natuk-an ko...

despite sa ka arrogante aning Tomas, generally at least sa perception sa majority sa mga Cebuanos, mas pro-Cebu siya compared kay Gwen.

oh really? LOLs

Wa'y mahitabo anang pag dala ni PJ ani nga isyu didto sa kongreso. Samot lang mahimong lapok ang lubog na tubig. Personally, if I were PJ di na nako dalhon sa kongreso bisan tuod naa pa ko'y nasilip na legal loophole. Pero he can't help it and he must being a Garcia protecting their interest.

correction: naa nay dakong nahitabo. personally, i go w/ the opinion of all 6 Cebu Congressmen out of 8 that supports PJ's move.

This is not just a matter of pride, this is a matter of money because if there is nothing in it for them they won't go the long haul.

that's only ur opinion.

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OT:
and b4 i forget, as of this writing, there was no indication of SOP in the CICC project so far, as otherwise alleged.

Sa sulti pa ni Bobby Nalzaro, "Gwen’s power point presentation on the CICC project was detailed, from the bidding process to the change in design and expenditures.

To recall, Capitol initially planned to construct a megadome for sports and entertainment activities. It was hastily changed to a world-class convention center when the national gov't chose Cebu as host of the 12th Asean Summit.

Were there anomalies in the awards of contracts and was the project overpriced? Gwen answered in the negative and said that they really followed the law on procurement and bidding and industry standards as laid down in the Construction Cost Handbook Phils 2006.

The total cost of the CICC would be P834,527,365.65, if the Regional Trial Court orders the Province to pay WT Construction the P261,217,866.66 it demanded as additional expenses and which were not covered by contracts. The case is still pending.

I do not pretend to be knowledgeable in engineering works. I can't tell yet if the project was overpriced unless experts say so after thoroughly examining the documents. Even the Office of the Ombudsman-Visayas, which is not an expert in construction processes, sought the opinion of the Commission on Audit on the matter.

Lastimosa finally got the voluminous documents he has been demanding. He said he will let experts examine these. Perhaps self-proclaimed anti-graft crusader Crisologo Saavedra can help Leo do that.

In the meantime, let us give Gwen the benefit of the doubt regarding her statement that she did not make money out of the multi-million-peso project. This despite public perception that the project initiators demanded kickbacks, or the so-called SOP, from contractors."

[mexicanlady]

Nagpaila lang gyud ning mga Garcia ug ilang mga loyalists ug surrogates nga mga sore losers.Lols! Kung agrabyado sila sa SRP deal kay naay anomaliya, nganong di man sila mo diresto sa court aron adto sila mag daug. Paka hero man jud ug tagawtaw sa congress para mo sikat pag-ayo.Di gyud na sila sibugan ni Tomas. Laban kung laban gyud na kang Tomas. According to mayor Osmena he's glad nga dili na ka threaten si Gwen sa mga judges to cut their allowances. lols! Hala, mga garcia sukol gyud mo hangtod asa mag abot, tan-awn ta kinsay hawod, kamo ba or si Tomas Nyahahaha!! Ingon si Tomas "i will not only fight as a good soldier, I WILL WIN" Mao nay mayor!!! Pilde ang maglagot. LOLS!!!!

[simoko]

daghan gyud ma interested aning SRP deal....naay dakong kwarta diha...hapit na rabang 2010 election...need people's money na tu spend...hehehehe...maipag tukod napud ug laing version sa CICC para maka funding napud...

[SIKWATE]

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What is Congress' jurisdiction over SRP? I am not a lawyer but I think there is none. This was a project wholly-conceived by the LGU.

Nagpa-obvious nasad ang sourgraping sa mga Garcia. Bahala ug di mo-asenso ang Cebu basta makasakay lang sila sa pangwawarts.

Mura na man intawn ni sila ug sing Ping Lacson uy, lubugon ug maayo ang issue para di maklaro ilang interest.

For me, ang mo babag anything about SRP is Anti-Cebu. Don't you agree people?! And Pablo John of all people or any Garcia for that matter are not in the position to initiate it because it is politically motivated.

bro. morag biased man au imo post, hehehehe. mora man you ug si Leo Lastimosa hahaha, anti- Garcia but PRO osmeña, nayahahha, peace bro, no offense. but for me bro, kana baya ang SRP kay morag National Project mana nya Gi - divert in Local nga gi abaga sa CEBU, pero i think bro even if im not a Lawyer, morag naa jud bya right ang Congress to Check ana kay unsaon man gud nga ang LGU COuncil dha sa CEBU nga mga TUTA raman ni TOM, so kinsa paman diay mo badlong kung ugaling naa jud na Bililyaso sa contrata?? unsa on man gud pud ng mga Councilors sa Cebu apil ng ilang Vice mayor nga mahadlok man ni Opaw, hahaha, pero ang naka apan lang pud aning mga Garcia kay nanimalos pud ni sila kay wala man gud g approve ni Tomas ang Ciudad Project..... mao nay gi ingon nga politicking, hahaha pamolitika, pero sa ako gi ka ingon bro nga morag naa jud right ang congress, but im not sure..

[giddyboy]

bro. morag biased man au imo post, hehehehe. mora man you ug si Leo Lastimosa hahaha, anti- Garcia but PRO osmeña, nayahahha, peace bro, no offense. but for me bro, kana baya ang SRP kay morag National Project mana nya Gi - divert in Local nga gi abaga sa CEBU, pero i think bro even if im not a Lawyer, morag naa jud bya right ang Congress to Check ana kay unsaon man gud nga ang LGU COuncil dha sa CEBU nga mga TUTA raman ni TOM, so kinsa paman diay mo badlong kung ugaling naa jud na Bililyaso sa contrata?? unsa on man gud pud ng mga Councilors sa Cebu apil ng ilang Vice mayor nga mahadlok man ni Opaw, hahaha, pero ang naka apan lang pud aning mga Garcia kay nanimalos pud ni sila kay wala man gud g approve ni Tomas ang Ciudad Project..... mao nay gi ingon nga politicking, hahaha pamolitika, pero sa ako gi ka ingon bro nga morag naa jud right ang congress, but im not sure..

sagdi lng na c Lytsplr bro ky maklaro man sab.

any level-minded person can see beyond personalities and politics and focus more on the valid issues raised against the FLI deal.

well, do not be unsure. Sure gyud nga Congress has a right. 6 out of 8 Cebu Congressmen even said so, including Rep del Mar who is even on the side of Tomas.

u r correct. sa ngan lang daan nga the City Council and VM Rama all belong to the same BOPK party w/ Tomas means there should be more third parties to check and balance the dealings that they have. ky kung sila sila ra ang mag sabot, lisod na. now look at.

yah, we cannot deny politicking involved. but we should ask kinsay ga una2x ana...anyways, that is already irrelevant at this point.

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"With only Rep. PJ doing the firing, the BOPK, which has a good number of good lawyers in its fold, looked listless and lost. It took some time before it got its bearing, and when it did, the counter-offensive was shaky. A paid ad answering PJ’s charges point by point came, but frankly, who religiously reads paid ads?

Nobody seems to be willing to engage Capitol in an intense and protracted verbal exchange on the issue, with only Councilor Hilario Davide, especially when he was acting mayor, and Acting Mayor Mike Rama doing the answering, but only in snatches. That is where City Hall officials and the BOPK are badly missing Osmeña.

If a House inquiry on the FLI deal does come to Cebu, I say the BOPK should pray that Osmeña would have recovered from his surgery enough to be able to come home at that time. Even a two-thirds-healthy Osmeña can still rally his BOPK team to fight and can still articulate well the side of the City in the FLI deal.

Putting up a good fight and proving that the transaction is above-board, however, are two different things. One can put up a good fight and still be exposed, especially if your arguments are indefensible in the first place. But I don’t think City officials know or think that the Filinvest deal is anomalous. That’s why they need their main man now." ~ Bong Wenceslao

full article:
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