Is Death the End?

[josephdc]

Nakahinumdum ko sa isa ka story sa isa ka taw nga naka-agi og NDE. He said that what he experienced was that it felt as if everything was so real and vivid. It was so real for him that his life on earth seemed only like a dream. Mao na siguro na ang ultimate reality, the life after death. Maybe it's true what they say that this life is just like a dream, and that real life only begins after we "pass away".

[regnauld]

Nakahinumdum ko sa isa ka story sa isa ka taw nga naka-agi og NDE. He said that what he experienced was that it felt as if everything was so real and vivid. It was so real for him that his life on earth seemed only like a dream. Mao na siguro na ang ultimate reality, the life after death. Maybe it's true what they say that this life is just like a dream, and that real life only begins after we "pass away".

Yes and when you wake up from your sleep of death...WHAT A gloRIOUS LIFE!

[tokidoki]

The TRUTH that I've realized is this: DEATH IS NOT THE END. Nothing dies ultimately speaking, here's my proof: You don't need to die or watch someone dies to say that death is the end. That's the most stupid observation and conclusion after all. Just ask yourself these questions: Can I destroy the ESSENCE of LIFE? Can I destroy ENERGY? Can I destroy CONSCIOUSNESS? If your answer is NO, then DEATH is not the end.

If your answer is yes, then you are suffering from SCHIZOPHRENIA!

No, it simply means we do not agree with you. Using common sense is not stupidity bai. Try telling well known scientists and intelligent people that "observation" is a stupid task and let's see how far you can go with that. Blind faith, on the other hand, is a foolish man's past time. Do not monopolize the topic to your side bai, that's both stupid and SELFISH.

And you are comparing 3 UNRELATED questions that only adds to the confusion (apples, oranges, durian(?)). Besides, you are a "recovering believer" to take seriously. Again, I still stand by my statement in another thread that you're not really a believer yet. You still have not made up your mind. You only start believing because believing currently favors your situation. Once an athiest bai ALWAYS an athiest. It would take a snap for you to change your stand if being an athiest favors you again.

[Kenah]

Is death the end? What happens now? These are questions that priests, preachers, and philosophers throughout history have tried to answer.

What does the Bible say?

What Are We Like?
In answering the question about death, the first issue we have to deal with is our human nature when we’re alive. Do we have both a body and a soul, or are we a single unit? To put it in terms of death, do we have a soul that lives on after our body dies, or does death bring all that we are to an end?

The Bible tells us that “the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (Genesis 2:7, KJV). God combined two elements to make the first human being: the dust of the ground and the breath of life. These two came together to form a “living soul.” God didn’t put a “living soul” into Adam. He placed within him His own living breath. Adam became a living soul as a result of this combination of a body from the dust and the breath of life from God. The “soul” cannot exist without both of these elements.

Death is simply the reverse of the process God used to give us life. Solomon wrote, “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [breath] shall return unto God who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7, KJV). The “spirit” or “breath of life” is the spark that animates us and gives us life. It is not a conscious soul, for Solomon also said that “the living know that they will die, ⁄ but the dead know nothing . . . never again will they have a part ⁄ in anything that happens under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6).

So at death, the body goes back to dust, while the spirit—God’s life-giving power—returns to the One who gave it. Just as the light from a lightbulb goes out when the electricity is removed, so our human consciousness ceases when God removes His life-giving breath from our bodies. At that point, we no longer exist as intelligent beings. The psalmist said, “Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish” (Psalm 146:3, 4, KJV; emphasis added).

Jesus called death a sleep, thus emphasizing the unconsciousness we humans experience when we die. When His friend Lazarus died, Jesus told His disciples, “ ‘Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.’ His disciples replied, ‘Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.’ . . . Then he told them plainly, ‘Lazarus is dead’ ” (John 11:11–14).

And speaking of Christians who had died, Paul said that they had “fallen asleep” (1 Corinthians 11:30).

So the dead don’t know what’s going on in the world, because they’re unconscious. They’re asleep.

Why the Confusion?
If the Bible is so clear that death is a sleep, a state of unconsciousness, why do so many people think that dead people are still alive? The answer appears to be tradition: this is what their ancestors thought, so this is what they think as well.

Songs are often used to reflect current trends, beliefs, and ways of thinking. In her 1997 release, Ghosts, Australian singer Wendy Matthews devoted an entire track to one of the more popular beliefs concerning what happens after death. In her song “Beloved,” a lonely phantom watches over her former lover. She describes him lurking in the house, floating through walls, and lying down to sleep beside her at night, though she knows he cannot see or feel her touch. “All I am now ⁄ is this love I have for you,” she sighs. She reflects on all the things she wishes she’d said when he was alive, longing to be able to touch and speak to her loved one again.

Like Wendy Matthews, many people say of the dead, “They’ll never really leave me,” or, “They’ll always be a part of my life.” In this understanding of death, the dead are still among us, locked in another realm of our world. We cannot see them, and they cannot speak to us.

However, there’s another popular idea about death. Pearl Jam’s song, “Last Kiss,” describes a car accident, where the driver laments the loss of his girlfriend. “The Lord took her away from me,” he says. “She’s gone to heaven so I’ve got to be good, ⁄ So I can see my baby when I leave this world.” According to this belief, our loved ones are up in heaven, watching over us from a safe place.

While both views have comforting sentiments, what are they based on? How can a loved one be eternally bound to a house while at the same time be watching from heaven? The thought of watching the shattered lives left behind, unable to do anything to offer comfort or affection, seems like a nightmare. Or, worse, imagine looking down and seeing wars, tragedies, and misfortunes that befall your family—while you live in peaceful luxury.

God’s Solution
Does this mean that the sleep of death is permanent? When we die, are we doomed to unconsciousness for eternity? Fortunately, the idea of being asleep suggests the idea of waking. Christ changed death into a sleep by His sacrifice on our behalf. How astonishing to think that the Son of God died in order to conquer death forever and change what would have been eternal nothingness into a temporary, dreamless sleep!

Jesus has power to awaken every human from the sleep of death when He returns at the end of the age: “ ‘I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand’ ” (John 10:28, 29).

For those who believe in Him and accept this gift, the next thing they’ll know after they die will be the coming of Jesus. It will be as though they blink, go to sleep, and then wake up when Jesus raises them back to life. Jesus Himself promised, “ ‘Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out’ ” (John 5:2. And the apostle Paul wrote that “we will not all sleep,” meaning that those who trust in Jesus will not always remain unconscious in their graves. Rather, he says, “The dead will be raised imperishable. . . . For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53).

We humans aren't now immortal, but God will make us so when Jesus comes back to this world and raises the dead to life.

according sa priest nga nag misa sa akong brother nga namatay last April 8 ,ang death maoy entrance to a new life ... buhay na walang hanggan...

all of us here should pass that stage ... we need to die so we can enter that stage.... the new life new beginning...

[regnauld]

No, it simply means we do not agree with you. Do not monopolize the topic to your side bai, that's both stupid and SELFISH.

And you are comparing 3 UNRELATED questions that only adds to the confusion (apples, oranges, durian(?)). Besides, you are a "recovering believer" to take seriously. Again, I still stand by my statement in another thread that you're not really a believer yet. You still have not made up your mind. You only start believing because believing currently favors your situation. Once an athiest bai ALWAYS an athiest. It would take a snap for you to change your stand if being an athiest favors you again.

Life again is related to these questions. Life is Energy or Prana. Life is Consciousness or Awareness. Life is ESSENCE itself. Now can you destroy those? Can Death make an end to those LIFE giving PRINCIPLES? No scientist can answer those questions negatively even the brightest Atheist in this forum. Is this a belief? NO. is Energy a belief? No. Is Consciousness a Belief? NO. Sorry if you felt that I monopolized this forum. I only gave my arguments with a basis and it's not stupid and selfish to present these facts, isn't it?

BTW, I am not a believer nor an athiest. I am just a SEEKER and an OBSERVER. Once a SEEKER is always a SEEKER for eternity.

[tokidoki]

^^ you just said so yourself bai observer ka. So don't stab your own foot by saying that observing death as the end of someone is stupid.

Btw, it is still a theory that energy cannot be destroyed (or at least last time I checked). Again, many cultures view energy in a different way. So it IS belief. Subjective belief.

It's a little pessimistic to say that death is the end, I know. But before you say that death is NOT the end. Kindly ask yourself this question:
Am I saying this because I DON'T WANT to believe that it is?
Am I saying this because I FEAR death? (if you answered no to this I would like to see you kill yourself this very instant)
Am I saying this to comfort myself in the time of my death or the death of my loved ones?

No one has been able to prove that death is not the end. People who "came back" are just delusional people. So the fact that people still say it isn't is merely just a defense mechanism of being in denial. With that in mind, I don't see anyone unanimously claim that non-humans have life after death. Again, another subjective comment from the superiority complex-suffering human race.

[regnauld]

Life is Eternal. Love is immortal and Death is only a horizon. Beyond death what do you see? Can Light stop at this horizontal point?

[regnauld]

^^ you just said so yourself bai observer ka. So don't stab your own foot by saying that observing death as the end of someone is stupid.

Btw, it is still a theory that energy cannot be destroyed (or at least last time I checked). Again, many cultures view energy in a different way. So it IS belief. Subjective belief.

It's a little pessimistic to say that death is the end, I know. But before you say that death is NOT the end. Kindly ask yourself this question:
Am I saying this because I DON'T WANT to believe that it is?
Am I saying this because I FEAR death? (if you answered no to this I would like to see you kill yourself this very instant)
Am I saying this to comfort myself in the time of my death or the death of my loved ones?

No one has been able to prove that death is not the end. People who "came back" are just delusional people. So the fact that people still say it isn't is merely just a defense mechanism of being in denial. With that in mind, I don't see anyone unanimously claim that non-humans have life after death. Again, another subjective comment from the superiority complex-suffering human race.

FYI my friend, ENERGY can never be created nor be destroyed. It is not a theory. It is A FACT. Review your science lessons once again. You need to refresh the BASICS in science.

There is nothing to believe here. I see it and feel it that death is not the end. There is nothing to fear here. We've been here before (Reincarnation). Although this is a separate thread to discuss. Let me ask you what is LIFE? Define LIFE in your own words. And what is Death?

Delusional people? who says? YOU? Defense Mechanism? Do you think this is just a make believe story? Nice arguments.

Stabbing my foot? to conclude that death is the end, for me is stupidity.

[tokidoki]

^^ you're stupid and i'm stupid so let's put and end to that discussion and let's move it the chicken and egg debate then.

again if you feel that it is not the end why are you still here? paghikog if you're so proud of death. there's nothing more satisfying that proving me wrong with you as the proof. correct?

sige let me know when you meet my grandfather.

[regnauld]

The concept of death is only limited to the physical aspect. It is just like saying the body dies, but the question is ARE YOU A BODY? Is your real identity confined to the body only? Because if you say that you are a body only then you are not the person you are right now for your body is changing all the time. Look at you. IS your body the same when you were seven years old?