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    Quote Originally Posted by nikxz unÖ View Post
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    How do we really know if gawd exist?

    Be Open to Reality.
    Be Open Minded.
    Be Intellectual Honest.
    or to sum it up; be an atheist.

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    The evidence for evolution of life is overwhelming and conclusive. This evidence is not just in the fossils, but also in the body parts and genes of almost every living thing. If you have any doubts, take a little time to learn the concepts of evolution. If your mind is at all open, you will see the evidence. Remember, ignorance of how evolution works is no argument against it.

    Our own bodies have many signs of our evolutionary heritage. When we get goose bumps, our bodies are trying to keep warm by raising hairs that are no longer dense enough to help. The muscles that allow us to wiggle our ears are of no use for us, but they did help some distant ancestors. Humans also have many other useless, vestigial organs such as nipples and mammary glands on males and the tailbone, which is just a holdover from when our primate ancestors actually had tails millions of years ago.

    Every cell in our bodies contains the evidence of our evolutionary origins. The basic process of life on Earth is so common that we share about 50% of our genes with carrots, and more than 98% of our genes with chimpanzees. In fact, humans are genetically closer to chimps than mice are to rats.

    Biological Facts:
    We get an exact copy of the mitochondria in each cell from our mother, almost every time.
    Every male gets an exact copy of his Y chromosome from his father, almost every time.
    Both mitochondria and Y chromosomes slowly mutate over time at known rates.

    We share 98% of our genes with chimps, but we have 23 pairs of chromosomes while chimps and other great apes have 24. A close examination of the chromosomes shows that one pair of our chromosomes is made of two from the other primates. Our combined chromosome even shows the evidence of where the two chromosomes joined, with the ends of the old chromosomes in the middle of the joined chromosome.

    Let me address a common example that proponents of gawd use. "Look at the wonderful design of the human eye" they say. Surely this design could not have happened by chance. It must be that "gawd did it" Actually, it did happen by chance, countless little chance events of changes in the gene pool over generations, all controlled by the harsh realities of natural selection and survival of the fittest. While the initial changes in the gene pool (mutations) were chance events, survival of the fittest is obviously not random. Individuals can pass their genes and characteristics on to their offspring. If a gene makes an individual more likely to have offspring that survive, its offspring (carrying that gene) will be more likely to have offspring that survive.

    Your so called gawd could have done better than the human eye. Actually, with the eyes of birds (which have no blood vessels in the retina) and the octopus and squid (which have the light sensing cells on the surface).

    It is also necessary to note that in order for gawd to be true, these areas of science would be largely false:
    Evolutionary biology, Paleobiology, Cosmology, Astronomy, Physics, Paleontology, Archeology, Historical geology, Zoology, Botany, and Biogeography, plus much of early human history.

    We would have no real science, engineering, or medicine. We would still be living in the Dark Ages.

    Please take a little time to read this.
    Thanks.
    Last edited by nikxz unÖ; 04-02-2009 at 12:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedogs View Post
    mao gani gitawag ug faith.. meaning believing without doubt that something exists even if it's not tangible, not seen...

    bsta ako tuo kog Ginoo.hehehe
    To those who Believe, no proof is necessary.
    To those who do not believe, no proof is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Doctor View Post
    To those who Believe, no proof is necessary.
    To those who do not believe, no proof is enough.
    couldn't agree more

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikxz unÖ View Post
    OT:

    The evidence for evolution of life is overwhelming and conclusive. This evidence is not just in the fossils, but also in the body parts and genes of almost every living thing. If you have any doubts, take a little time to learn the concepts of evolution. If your mind is at all open, you will see the evidence. Remember, ignorance of how evolution works is no argument against it.

    Our own bodies have many signs of our evolutionary heritage. When we get goose bumps, our bodies are trying to keep warm by raising hairs that are no longer dense enough to help. The muscles that allow us to wiggle our ears are of no use for us, but they did help some distant ancestors. Humans also have many other useless, vestigial organs such as nipples and mammary glands on males and the tailbone, which is just a holdover from when our primate ancestors actually had tails millions of years ago.

    Every cell in our bodies contains the evidence of our evolutionary origins. The basic process of life on Earth is so common that we share about 50% of our genes with carrots, and more than 98% of our genes with chimpanzees. In fact, humans are genetically closer to chimps than mice are to rats.

    Biological Facts:
    We get an exact copy of the mitochondria in each cell from our mother, almost every time.
    Every male gets an exact copy of his Y chromosome from his father, almost every time.
    Both mitochondria and Y chromosomes slowly mutate over time at known rates.

    We share 98% of our genes with chimps, but we have 23 pairs of chromosomes while chimps and other great apes have 24. A close examination of the chromosomes shows that one pair of our chromosomes is made of two from the other primates. Our combined chromosome even shows the evidence of where the two chromosomes joined, with the ends of the old chromosomes in the middle of the joined chromosome.

    Let me address a common example that proponents of gawd use. "Look at the wonderful design of the human eye" they say. Surely this design could not have happened by chance. It must be that "gawd did it" Actually, it did happen by chance, countless little chance events of changes in the gene pool over generations, all controlled by the harsh realities of natural selection and survival of the fittest. While the initial changes in the gene pool (mutations) were chance events, survival of the fittest is obviously not random. Individuals can pass their genes and characteristics on to their offspring. If a gene makes an individual more likely to have offspring that survive, its offspring (carrying that gene) will be more likely to have offspring that survive.

    Your so called gawd could have done better than the human eye. Actually, with the eyes of birds (which have no blood vessels in the retina) and the octopus and squid (which have the light sensing cells on the surface).

    It is also necessary to note that in order for gawd to be true, these areas of science would be largely false:
    Evolutionary biology, Paleobiology, Cosmology, Astronomy, Physics, Paleontology, Archeology, Historical geology, Zoology, Botany, and Biogeography, plus much of early human history.

    We would have no real science, engineering, or medicine. We would still be living in the Dark Ages.

    Please take a little time to read this.
    Thanks.
    it is very astonishing how different faculties of science apply themselves to different aspects of the world, yet they are closely related to one another; yes this facts are concretely true, i totally agree, but let me ask you... is the bible (which is the main source for our knowledge on our God) not consistent with the history of the world?

    about this part:
    It is also necessary to note that in order for gawd to be true, these areas of science would be largely false:
    Evolutionary biology, Paleobiology, Cosmology, Astronomy, Physics, Paleontology, Archeology, Historical geology, Zoology, Botany, and Biogeography, plus much of early human history.

    they don't have to be false; our God existed already yet they(the sciences) are perceived as true at this very moment, like the way you said it right now, it is true and at the same time my God exist. the two "things' which you said could no co-exist are truthfully existing right before your very eyes, the only thing that matter is your non-belief to our God.

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    our God existed already yet they(the sciences) are perceived as true at this very moment, like the way you said it right now, it is true and at the same time my God exist. the two "things'' which you said could no co-exist are truthfully existing right before your very eyes, the only thing that matter is your non-belief to our God.
    Oh Mah.
    Again, thats what you believe ( base on religious dogma's ).

    Close Mindedness.

    No Offense.
    And oh are you sure that your bible is consistent to history?

    Use the Internet, research before you come up with your conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikxz unÖ View Post
    Oh Mah.
    Again, thats what you believe ( base on religious dogma's ).

    Close Mindedness.

    No Offense.
    And oh are you sure that your bible is consistent to history?

    Use the Internet, research before you come up with your conclusion.
    yes that is what i believe based on a religious dogmas; but it won't matter anyway. what we believe is what we believe and what you don't believe you can keep it to your self.

    yes the bible is consistent with history :
    if i will search the net, we will come up with both results; the one who agree and the other who won't agree. now of course i will present the one who agree with what im saying. and then you will search yourself and post the other end. completely pointless posting it here.

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    So why claim that it is consistent to the history?

    I wonder.

    Postulations cannot stand always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikxz unÖ View Post
    So why claim that it is consistent to the history?

    I wonder.

    Postulations cannot stand always.
    cause it does.. and no postulations.

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    cause it does.. and no postulations.
    So you're saying writings in the bible are always true? and scientific explanations are false? unacceptable.

    Close Minded, outs here too.
    Thanks.

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